i play super laggy NLHE and i think im adopting a more aggressive approach to PLO8, anyone play this differently? maybe C/R the flop?

suits irrelevent

stack sizes roughly 1500ish first level

10 PLO8 sng

Me in sb w/ A29T

i complete after 3 calls, bb checks, 5 to the flop

fop J85

i lead it for pot, UTG limper repots, i repot us both all in...

anyone got a problem with this line? would a check raise be a better play so i can pretty much commit myself entirely on the flop? but then what if no one bets???

Eh, I really don't like the repot on the flop.

I personally would lay it down after the villan repots us.

You have 8outs to the straight, and barely any low.

This play by the villian looks alot like 2pair, so idk. I still fold it.

This is what stinks about playing hands out of position in O8.

I don't mind a check/call, if you hit a low you can lead out to make him pay to draw for half the pot with his set / 2 pair.

Say you hit the queen... I like to put out a smaller bet (1/3 pot) that looks like you are trying to block him from raising out your low draw. Once he repots, get it all in.

If you hit the 7 just bet out because he will put you on only a low and call you down with his set / 2 pair... and you dont want to let him fill up for free.

You obviously have a nice hand here, but still a drawing hand, and you are likely to be a coinflip or worse with anyone who is willing to commit everything on the flop, so better off to keep the pot small / multiway OOP in my mind.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2146490 : against JJ + 2 low cards
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2146501 : against A2+ 2 pair
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2146502 : against A2+ Top pair only

wtf.

you have a huge hand on that flop. get it all in. 60%-ish to the low, 30%-ish to the high (super conservative estimate here--you could well be ahead of a naked a2xx). for the money it costs to find out whether you're flipping coins or way ahead, you're priced in, so go ahead and pot and repot.

plus, this is a sng, dude may not even know if he's playing plo8 or NLHE. i am content to get my money in no matter what here.

so checky, how are you playing this diff in cash game vs? tourney?

i wanted to add a little of what i was thinking in this hand. OBV it was a 10 dollar sng, i was not going to give these players THAT much credit. with the hand i had, im rarely going to be more than a 50/50 dog, plus i am drawing to the nut hi and nut low, also i'd gladly gamble agsint range of oponents holdings to double up in the first level, as i believe it increases my equity in the tournament enough to justify this gambool.

also my oponent would have to be holding a perfect 4 card hand to have me really ****ed. something like A2J8 or A2JJ something to that effect.

so i guess i did play this on the agg side...

anyways oponent flipped over 88xx no low possibilities, turn was low river was Q i scooped... yay for me

i was wondering how your guys thought process would go on the hand, im trying very hard to improve my grasp in all the variations of Omaha.

thx in advance, and make sure to tear me apart when i post stuff you dont agree with. seriously

lol, definitely! that's my favorite part!

basically, your thinking is pretty good. the only hands that you're really worried about here are hands that are made 2p+ for the high AND A2, which are four card hands. in cash games, USUALLY a repot implies a 2way hand, but that's never a given. i'll repot the naked 2nd nuts one way sometimes, for instance, if i have a feel for which direction my opponent is going and how vulnerable he is.

moreover, here you're DRAWING both ways, with pretty much coin flip equity plus a decent shot at scooping unless someone has an absolute monster, which just happens sometimes. the key here, though, is that you need TWO CARDS to get your full equity with a very strong draw, so you definitely want to get it in on the flop. you absolutely cannot just call the repot and get your equity all ****ed by a king on the turn or something.

as a general comment, i think people here give their opponents too much credit for four card hands in this game (which is why limit is so much more fun and less nut-peddly). VERY often, a good plo8 player will pot one way hands to try to scoop a pot when you fold. position, aggression, and isolation are VERY important in this game for that precise reason (and in that order, IMO).

Yea, about the thing about them not knowing what game their playing.

I completely forgot that 8 counts to a low.

I now will change my opinion to that of McFold because we have way way more outs that I thought at first.

I like it and this is how I play, early in the tournament I am pretty tight, but if I get a chance to get it all-in on a big draw on the flop like this or nld with nfd I'm more than happy to.

thanks for your input guys

i def. agree w/ you here checky, one of my concerns was if i did just call, what happens if board pairs/blanks off i would be fcucked

lag and aggressive are two different things.

laggy PLO8 should be reserved for those who truly understand the game and play it incredibly well.

this hand more or less plays itself and in no way should be considered laggy.

you guys are crazy. this is an all in and be happy with it flop with that hand.

obv ISAO and dont understand the intricacies yet. i felt i played it aggressively, i guess not for more experienced omaha players, a lot of the play i see is calling down until they hit the nuts at lower limits...so i put my play in the category of more aggressive.

thx





damn didnt realize i could be that *** raped with that flop...

sure you can be raped. dont worry about that. you will get called here with all sorts of crap.

tattoo this backwards on your forehead and put a mirror behind your monitor

nut low draw + 8 out straight draw on rainbow flop
nut low draw + wrap
nut low draw + flush draw (higher the better, but even low ones sometimes)

get every dollar you can into that pot and be happy for the opportunity to do so.

edit: against opponents who will call very behind.

This would work much better with A289 on a 37T board, since the 8 would give you some emergency backup low in the event of a counterfeit (even better A278 on a 369 board).

Given that it's a tourney and you'd probably want to pick up some chips or quit early, I would make the same play; but it's pretty iffy.

i wasn't saying you didn't play it agressive.

loose- playing lots of hands.

aggressive- betting lots.

you are playing aggressive not loose.

werd. thanks, didnt mean to mistate myself.

i cant believe how much i have to learn about omaha, i pretty much nutted myself when i saw the flop. i didnt realize i could be so fcucked still.

i did wish that i had back up on the NL draw though... oh well...

funny that the O8 games are so soft that they are still beatable even with little understanding of the game.

I check/call the flop and wait for the turn to either make my low or my straight, upon which I bet out.

It would be a shame to go out here when you are just about to get the button and 3 hands where you can really leverage your chips.

I don't have a big problem with an allin here.