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No_Neck
Table Camino Bravo - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em


Seat 1: vernonhobbs ($58.10), is sitting out
Seat 2: DallasDog ($29.30)
Seat 3: -4WS-Madman ($20.45)
Seat 4: Essense ($73.45)
Seat 5: tommy--15 ($28.65), is sitting out
Seat 6: RedRocket7 ($50)
Seat 7: jjw0812 ($56.80)
Seat 8: Natethegreel ($20)
Seat 9: scrimpdog5 ($8.75)
DallasDog posts the small blind of $0.25
-4WS-Madman posts the big blind of $0.50
Natethegreel posts $0.50
The button is in seat #9


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Natethegreel [K icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif ]
2 Folds ,jjw0812 raises to $1,Natethegreel calls $0.50 the rest fold


*** FLOP *** [J icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif ]
jjw0812 bets $1, Natethegreel calls $1

*** TURN *** [J icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif ]
jjw0812 checks. Natethegreel bets $3, jjw0812 calls $3

*** RIVER *** [J icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif 8 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif ]
jjw0812 bets $4, Natethegreel calls


do anything different? raise the flop? Raise the river?
mikeysong
I call tech support for putting 2 2 icon_suit_club.gif on board

I raise flop and at .25/.50, I'm going broke with this hand so I'm gonna try to get it big enough to go all in
TraptSteve
You can't raise the river here. Only the A icon_suit_club.gif calls.

I don't even think the 10 icon_suit_club.gif bets here.. it looks like an extremely loose defensive bet or the nuts. Go ahead and call.

Considering you bought in for just 20 $, you should have played the draw much more aggressively on the flop.

Optimum play - raise to 5$ on the flop, take the free card if he checks the turn. If you improve, bet the pot. If the he has the ace, you played well and got unlucky. Reload for MORE THIS TIME and take his money.
EurekaKid
Looks pretty standard. I agree with the others, you should really buy-in for the full amount.
No_Neck
QUOTE (TraptSteve @ Sunday, October 22nd, 2006, 11:38 PM) *
You can't raise the river here. Only the A icon_suit_club.gif calls.

I don't even think the 10 icon_suit_club.gif bets here.. it looks like an extremely loose defensive bet or the nuts. Go ahead and call.

Considering you bought in for just 20 $, you should have played the draw much more aggressively on the flop.

Optimum play - raise to 5$ on the flop, take the free card if he checks the turn. If you improve, bet the pot. If the he has the ace, you played well and got unlucky. Reload for MORE THIS TIME and take his money.



yeah I didn't realize I bought in for the minimum because full tilt has $20 as the default (pretty silly if you ask me) and then the hand was delt before I could add more money.
simo_8ball
Raise big on the flop.

I like the turn bet.

Call the river.
Shate
When he checks to you at the turn, hes asking you "do you have the flush?" and by betting 3/4 pot you're basicly telling him "yes I do".
And he still bet out on the river...? That can only meen he have it too, and the 10 icon_suit_club.gif is not very likely.
I think your gonna see the A icon_suit_club.gif when you call.
No_Neck
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Monday, October 23rd, 2006, 4:51 AM) *
Raise big on the flop.

I like the turn bet.

Call the river.



what sort of raise do you make on the flop? 3,4?
Peak01
Raise $4 on the flop.

Bet $10 on the turn.

Call the river.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Monday, October 23rd, 2006, 7:40 AM) *
what sort of raise do you make on the flop? 3,4?


Some kind of raise needs to be put in on the flop since you're in position. 3 or 4 is fine. Then bet bigger on the turn, like 7. Just calling the river is right.
simo_8ball
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Monday, October 23rd, 2006, 3:40 PM) *
what sort of raise do you make on the flop? 3,4?

Raise the flop to $5.
DonkSlayer
QUOTE (Shate @ Monday, October 23rd, 2006, 6:57 AM) *
When he checks to you at the turn, hes asking you "do you have the flush?" and by betting 3/4 pot you're basicly telling him "yes I do".
And he still bet out on the river...? That can only meen he have it too, and the 10 icon_suit_club.gif is not very likely.
I think you're gonna see a boat when you call.



FYG and FYP
No_Neck
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 3:54 PM) *
FYG and FYP



Nice call donk slayer. Villian turned over 66 for the rivered boat. I really thought about pushing the river but I didn't really think there was much I could get called with. I really hated that last spade that paired the board. but at least I lost the minimum Meh.

QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 3:34 PM) *
Raise the flop to $5.



what do you do if the villian is a very tricky lag, capable of raising you. If you bet 5 and he raises do you push?
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 2:11 PM) *
what do you do if the villian is a very tricky lag, capable of raising you. If you bet 5 and he raises do you push?


There's a fine line in there between letting yourself get bet off of a hand and giving yourself multiple ways to win.

I think raising is important here because:

A: You're drawing to the flush, which you assume will win
B: You have 2 overcards and a backdoor straight draw, which can win
C: Your opponent might just be taking a stab at the pot and can't withstand a raise, which means that your semibluff works and you win without improving your K high
D: It lets you represent a real hand if you miss your draw

Obviously if you raise and he pushes, you're likely going to fold, but that's ok. If he's really tricky or you want to keep the pot small for other reasons, then just call, but keep in mind that if you're calling, you gotta showdown the best hand to win.
simo_8ball
I don't fold this hand on the flop. I would call allin on this flop if he open shoved.
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 2:52 PM) *
I don't fold this hand on the flop. I would call allin on this flop if he open shoved.


If he bets, you raise and he pushes, your overcard outs are no good. He might even do it with the nut flush draw. Calling a push for all of our chips on that flop would be horrible considering we're not likely getting the right odds to do so.
No_Neck
QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 5:52 PM) *
I don't fold this hand on the flop. I would call allin on this flop if he open shoved.


even against a nit?
simo_8ball
QUOTE (No_Neck @ Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 11:09 PM) *
even against a nit?

Hmm. Depends how nittish. I don't like to fold here unless I have a VERY good reason to think otherwise.

If I raise to 5 and he shoves, it's $14 more into $26.75, so we would need 34% equity. It's hard to think of a range that doesn't give us 34% equity.
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