PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A , T , 6 , 3 .
UTG raises, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6 , A , K (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) J (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Are all streets horrible?

/shrug, I fold Preflop. and then on the flop I guess I can see calling...maybe. And then on the turn....i would fold. And on the river...I would fold again.

Five handed I'll see a flop with this for one bet unless its a game with a lot of pre-flop raising... I would have folded to a pre-flop raise though. I probably fold this flop, so many people to the flop there is a good chance someone has higher two pair, or a good low draw with an ace capable of sucking out on your two pair. You don't want to get caught in a raising war and there are better spots to get your money in. If a low card hits you are playing for half the pot and if a flush card hits you are probably dead.

Turn you are now playing for half the pot with a very vulnerable if not near drawing way behind hand, time to fold.

River, easy fold even with the large pot.

i call here preflop, maybe reraise depending on the oponents, so i can isolate him.

clear fold on the flop the way it was played....

Pretty much. PF is about the only thing that is even close here.
Everything else is a fold.

i 3bet preflop to isolate and take control just in case the flop comes big cards only. your hand kinda sucks multiway.

if you get this HU, there is a VERY good chance that you take it down with another bet on the flop with that kind of board. if you don't, you're very often chopping this pot HU with 2p and a live 3. this is why isolation in shorthanded LO8 is super important.

as played, peeling the flop is not terrible, but not good for sure. turn is a must toss.

Raise or fold preflop. I dont like the call, although I dont think it's terrible. If you really want to play this hand, I think checky is right about isolating.

As played, I fold the flop without a moment of hesitation. Top and bottom, no low draw with 5 to the flop, and a draw-heavy board? Yeesh. I see no reason to continue.

The turn call is worse for all the same reasons with 1 less card to improve with.

The river overcall is inexcusable. The flush and straight both finished, and you're calling with top/bottom for half the pot?

yay checky agreed w/ me, i must be getting better, time to play .02/.04c

I doubt this is any good on any street, because at this level I wouldn't expect your opponents to be making thin and aggressive lunges at the pot, especially with 5 people.

If it were 50/100+ and you were 4-handed or less with a maniac or two then I'd say it's standard.

So, basically depends on whether you can make some pretty extreme reads regarding your opponents' playing styles.

Fold (80%) or Raise (20%) the flop. Calling is horrible as you are giving everyone else the odds to play.

I would never fold this pre-flop btw. I normally flat call, but would re-raise on a passive table.

I would never fold this pre-flop btw. I normally flat call, but would re-raise on a passive table

Chammy, is this a profitable call after a raise from utg and it's only 5-handed? I am still trying to figure out sh lo8 plays.

I've heard you are crashing the 30/60 horse tables, good job. (I am still learning them at the 1/2 tables, )

Sure. You are concerned about A2wB, but you have position and a hand that can drive the betting with a lot of flops - or merit raising the flop for a free turn card.


I have found the HORSE games good up to 5/10. Above that, there are not many players who suck bad enough at any one game to reliably exploit....

yep, 3-bet pre and the hand plays much easier.

as played, letting it go on the flop is best. you're weak in one direction and dead in the other.



i've found the same. even some of the 5/10 games on stars are populated by live vegas pros it seems. the 10/20 games on stars have been pretty tough. i typically try to stay away from games where adanthar is hanging out. :/

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This is a sincere question from a NLHE player/PLO8 noob:

Why are so many people talking about wanting to isolate with this hand? The hand is so marginal that it seems like our best chance is to hit a bunch of hearts (if we're going to play it at all). Wouldn't we want more people and a bigger pot if that happens?

Thanks for any help on this.

(I also don't understand trying to isolate on a $2 table, but I'll leave that one alone for now.)