$50 NL - FULL RING

Seat 0: UTG ($83.45)
Seat 2: MP1 ($24.50)
Seat 8: HERO ($55.90) (Small Blind)

Dealt to meservery: J 10

HERO : Post Blind ($0.25)
BB : Post Blind ($0.50)

*** Pre-Flop ***

UTG : Bet ($2)
UTG+1 : Fold
MP1 : Call ($2)
MP2 : Fold
MP3 : Fold
HIJACK : Fold
CUTOFF : Fold
BUTTON : Fold
HERO : Call ($1.75)
BB : Fold

POT : $6.50

*** Flop ***

A Q 8

HERO?

EDIT: This might be really basic, but whatever...

I would put in a raise on the flop, you have a huge draw because you also have a double gut straight draw. There are a lot of cards that make you the nuts. So I would play this very aggressively.

also any read on villian?

I probably check, since the UTG player is almost sure to c-bet.
Depending on what happens after you check, then you can determine
whether to put in a raise, or go for the overcall by the other player.

You are in a coinflip with AQ. I just hit up cardplayers calculator. The worst dog you could be would be 42%.

Gambolllll

It could be worse if the diamond draw isn't live. K 8 and such. Not that I'd worry about that.

Edit: My primary motivation for making this post is to stop being a groupie as soon as possible.

Shove allin.

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definately need to be raising..you want to build a big pot in this situation

I would put in a bet here since you can't really be that much of a dog, and if any of your draws hit you are going to want to build the pot up.

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COnsidering I haven't held such a monster draw on the flop in a long time... I'd be inclined to check-raising about 2/3's my stack.

Depends on some factors-
How tight do my opponents perceive me to be?
Is the UTG person likely to make a large enough bet on the turn (such as a push) to make calling with the draw unprofittable?

As long as you don't think he'll make some sort of shut out bet on the turn, perhaps checking and calling will preserve your stack incase he has a hand and you miss. You could earn an over call on the flop from a weaker player (though not likely).

Basically, if you think the UTG bettor will not charge you too much to draw... go for a more passive approach. However, if he even makes a pot-sized bet I go with my original suggestion of 2/3 stack c/r.

He probably folds K-q /KK /JJ here... more importantly there will be enough money in the pot to justify it. If he calls, you're up against a decent ace which isn't that bad considering you're getting the money in as a favorite (aside from A-A, Q-Q, & A-Q, of course).

Worth the Gamble.

If you are pretty sure your opponent will bet, check to him planning to check-raise a good amount.

Never ever bet. It's a misconception about poker that betting is good. Calling is how you make the money.

How do you play this hand? Get all of your chips in at your earliest convenience.

Play it aggressive with that many outs your implied odds are huge. You can either bet the flop and most likely get called or check raise. I personally like betting out by it depends on what your table image is.




I dont agree with that at all. If your just checking and calling bets until you hit your flush/straight, your now inclined to bet out since you more than likely have a made hand. any reasonable opponent will realize your drawing and know if hes beat. By betting out, your concealing your hand to an extent and giving less of read if your straight/flush hits by consistant betting.

Wow. Ok, let me help you with something here.


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We good now?

Hero leads for $4.50. UTG calls. Turn misses hero. Lead again or check?

I would either lead again or check raise all in, depending on what the stacks are and what he bets.

I know that the CR seems really weird and dangerous, but it's also an incredibly strong move and you have a boatload of outs still.

C/R on the flop could buy you a free card on the turn if you miss for fear of another C/R.

Umm, no.

If you check raise me and then check to me again, I'm betting again. Every time. This will amost never buy you a free card.

Not everyone is you. Stranger things can happen.

That's just the point. You're counting on strange things to happen if you're trying to buy a free card with a check raise when you're OOP. If you're in position, yeah, you can get free cards. I think as soon as you check raise the flop and then check the blank on the turn, it pretty well defines your hand as a draw because otherwise you'd have to bet to protect your hand on that dangerous board.

Never said a c/r would buy a free card. Was stating it could happen which makes it another reason why a c/r would be a good play here. A person that was also on a draw could easily check this behind on the turn.

think of all the situations before you start criticizing peoples comments.

One thing I'd like to point out, is that getting it all in on the TURN is not a profitable play, unless you have substantial fold equity to make up for the pot equity that we lose from the flop to the turn.

Anything COULD happen, but it's not likely. I'm saying that it's bad business to check raise and then check the next street, hoping that your opponent will check behind, fearing another check raise.

Yes, he could check behind. Or he could push. He could bet half of the pot. Or he could have a seizure at the table after you check the turn, involuntarily pushing his hand into the muck with his last spasm of life, thereby winning you the pot.

You're thinking of one of the most unlikely scenarios (next to my seizure example, of course) and using that as justification for making your play. I'm saying it's highly unlikely that a check raise followed by a check will get you a free card, or anything for that matter.

The only reason to CR the flop and check the turn is when you hit your draw on the turn and want to make it look like you were afrad that HE was drawing.

I disagree. I am not putting more money in this pot if I brick. If he didn't fold to my C/R on the flop he most likely won't be folding to my bet on the turn.

Enough with the over dramatic seizure crap to. We can disagree about hands and debate them rationally. Why do you think that him checking on the turn such a rare thing? If he is on a draw and bricks as well it seems pretty standard he would check as well.

You're saying that a CR OOP followed by a check COULD result in him checking behind, IF he has a draw.

I'm saying, yes it COULD happen, but it's not likely.

If you're going for the CR, then you should be playing the hand fast, which includes betting the turn whether or not you miss. If you're going to play it slow, then check and call and just hope to make your draw on the turn or river. If you're not willing to fire a 2nd bullet with what is most likely 15 outs, then you shouldn't be playing poker, IMO.

I don't play this hand fast all the way. I am OOP and I want to see that river card. The reason I C/R the flop is to see how strong he is. I could very well take the pot down which I am hoping for in the first place. Since he called I know he most likely isn't going anywhere.

Since I brick my main goal is to get the river card now. Remember, we are out of position. If I bet and I am raised I am taken off my hand. If I bet I most likely will be called so I think thats a waste of money. If you are going to play it fast then C/R again on the turn. I would consider that play before betting into him.