PokerStars Game #358: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/10/21 - 14:46:57 (ET)
Table 'Silesia' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: folder ($212.05 in chips)
Seat 2: folder ($832.25 in chips)
Seat 3: villain ($193 in chips)
Seat 4: folder ($294.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jkosfcp ($331.70 in chips)
Seat 6: folder ($300.85 in chips)
Seat 7: z20 ranger ($68.60 in chips)
Seat 8: SB ($209.40 in chips)
Seat 9: BB ($191 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $1
BB: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jkosfcp [5s Ad Ac Ks]
folder: folds
folder: folds
villain: calls $2
folder: folds
jkosfcp: raises $7 to $9
folder: folds
z20 ranger: folds
SB: folds
BB: folds
villain: calls $7

*** FLOP *** [Jd Qc Kc]
villain: checks
jkosfcp: checks

*** TURN *** [Jd Qc Kc] [As]
villain: checks
jkosfcp: checks

*** RIVER *** [Jd Qc Kc As] [4c]
villain: checks
jkosfcp: checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***
villain: shows [2d 5h Qh Qs] (HI: three of a kind, Queens)
jkosfcp: shows [5s Ad Ac Ks] (HI: three of a kind, Aces)
jkosfcp collected $19.95 from pot
No low hand qualified

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21 | Rake $1.05
Board [Jd Qc Kc As 4c]
Seat 1: folder folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: folder folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: villain showed [2d 5h Qh Qs] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Queens
Seat 4: folder folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jkosfcp showed [5s Ad Ac Ks] and won ($19.95) with HI: three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: folder folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: z20 ranger (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: SB (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: BB (big blind) folded before Flop

I didn't bet because i was thinking I was way-ahead or way-behind. Could u had tried to extract values from this hand?

No much experiences playing against villain before. So no read, his stacks looked good b4 at other tables.

Hmm, actually I've got the answer, but I will see what the others gotta say.

I think this was a "first player to bet wins" type of thing.
You weren't calling too much of a bet, nor was he.

I pretty much think you got what you could from it.
Woulda been interesting to see the board pair on the river, though...

I don't think I would have raised in the first place, but since you did I would have continuation bet that flop and found out where I am at and gone from there.

i am betting that flop hoping for a fold. you have two of the aces he needs to make broadway as well as the case ace for flush that you now know he shouldnt be drawing to. the shitty part of this is that you have to fold to a significant raise unless you think you can bluff the flush, but IMO this is a much overused move that doesnt work often enough.


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after checking that flop i would have bet that turn after he checks to me. a straight would had to have bet there.




if you arent going to raise preflop youre probobly better off just folding the hand in the first place.

Yeah, I should really had value bet the turn. Checking twice most of the time really means weak (not having the nut). Even if I've got played back, I would still had plenty of outs, two 10s (excluding that villain must had a ten and the ten of club which I will be including next), pairing the board, and 10 clubs for bluffing outs (which sets up nicely for value-betting the turn).

By the way, I disagree that I need to bet the flop to find out where I am at. I either get a fold or lose more money (the only risk will be giving a flush draw but I held the Ace).

The flop is what is bugging me the most. I can't decide whether betting is right or checking is right. I think betting 1/2 - 3/4 pot and folding to a raise is okay, but I am not convinced there is a great purpose, because if he's behind, he's usually very behind (but the flush draw and gutshots are exceptions).

The turn is an easy bet I think, given that he checked twice. I wouldn't bet big, I would bet quite small, like 1/4 to no more than 1/2 pot as a value bet. Really I tihnk pot control is key... the smaller you bet, the more likely he might be to cr on a bluff, and you're definitely fine with calling a checkraise and folding to a significant bet if the board doesn't pair on the river (without a read that he is capable of doing this on a bluff).

Let me know if I'm missing sometihng and am way off. I don't much play in these tight PLO8 games but I really need to work on them if I am planning to move up.

Aseem

I don't really like to raise this hand preflop unless my PFR% > 15 and the villan wouldn't put me on AA. Since your villian most likely could put you on a hand like AA, THERE IS NO DOUBT that you were going to get checkraised pot if you bet this flop. But you didn't bet and then the A came and the villan got scared. He would have folded if you bet.

my pfr is between 4 and 7 and while this is enough to narrow my range down a bit since my raising preflop is so situational in this game ide be shocked and impressed if somebody could really read my hand with any degree of certantiy based on this.



i think if anything they they tend to assume you have a2xx hands when you raise. most of the bad players are convinced that raising aces preflop is bad because of everything they've heard about overplaying aces and that they never win in o8 and such.

after you check that flop your average player is not going to fold that turn with a set of queens for a 1/2 pot bet. he wasnt scared of the ace, he was scared of the straight.