Ok, donk in question = Fleung. Wait, that's too obvious...better make it...Fred L. LAG player who I have a lot of respect for in tourneys, don't know much about the cash game.

This is 6 handed

Stacks

Me = $300
Fred L = around $250.

On the button I get QcQs, two limpers, I pop it to $10, Fred calls in SB, everyone else calls.

Flop:

9c 5s 7d

Checked around to me where I bet $21. Fred pops it to an even $50.

Now:

Flat calling isn't an option, so it's down to re-raise, shove, or fold. What's my line?

is this live with Fred?


fred would re-raise with KK and AA.

fred would smooth call with a set on a rainbow board. 10,10 J,J and even AK would play this way especially after it was checked to you and you made a weak attempt to take the pot.

he raised thinking you had a big ace.

If you raise, you need to make it enough

Teddy, saw the chat discussion of this hand so I thought I'd leave my comment here for you -

Obv a lot of this depends on table image, how each guy thinks of each other, etc. In a tourney, an aggro thinking player would repop you with air or for sure any kind of pair or draw there assuming you have overcards and missed the flop completely. You just couldn't give up the hand yet. I would repop him.

In cash game, its a little more risky. If villian is LAG, 6 handed, I would guess that he would reraise your button raise with 99, 77, and possibly 55 just to take the lead in the hand since he's oop. (edit, just noticed the two other limpers, maybe he doesn't wanting to hit a set against multiple players) I have trouble giving him credit for a set here, although its possible. He could still put you on air and be raising with top pair here. I'm inclined to raise to 110. If he calls or pushes, I'm done with the hand obviously. I do not think calling is a bad option either although that really defines your hand for villian I think, and you might face a bet larger than $60 on the turn, which makes it more expensive than the flop repop if you intend to call when the LAG fires again. Folding is also a close option, although I just feel like its a little weak here. If the guy had a set or straight, the 'standard' line he would take is check/call, check/raise on turn. I feel like his pf raise is to find out if you really have an overpair, or are just continuation betting. Plus, you only bet half the pot, which is ok by me, but online looks a little weak/continuation-bet-ish.

Mark

Edit: Now that I think about it, since I noticed there are limpers in the hand, he could reasonably make this raise on the flop with a set, just because there were 2 limpers and a lot of straight possibilities out there to come on the turn. So I think this hand comes down a lot to your image. If you have an tight image, you could call and fold on the turn to any more aggression, or just flat fold. If they think you are weak, I don't think folding is an option yet.

push in a pot sized reraise--$120 or so. that should be enough to convince him that you actually have a hand. also, bet more on the flop. also, nosup, if "villain" calls the $120, he's only got $120 behind. Based on the turn card, i'm putting him in for the rest given the pot size (~$280) at that point.

Fred was SB, meaning he check raised.

I really dont like a check raise with a set here on a rainbow board. all these guys showed weakness on the flop and teddy bet out. fred raised thinking no one has anything.

fred is aggro and fast. definitely med PP or big ace. make him pay

Yes this was live.

Yea he was SB, I thought the C/R was fishy as hell, as I thought he would lead out into 3 others with a monster.

As for him being aggro and fast, he played a lot tighter than he did when we played tourneys. Had this been in a tourney or his game was even remotely like before, it would've been an easy call. Also, I really didnt think he would flat call with a set, because even tho there was no flush draw, the board was pretty co-ordinated, and Fred is capable of playing 6-8 and 7-9 or even 5-9.

But you have a really good idea of what happened here in this hand.

C'mon now...68, 79...okay. I wouldn't cold call pre-flop with 59 for a $10 raise.

I'd fold or reraise for sure!

I fold. I don't see him check-raising this flop with A9 or TT, so I figure him for a set, two pair or the straight. I don't realistically see him c/r with one pair with no redraw. The only hand I can imagine we are beating is 98 or possibly 88.

He can't expect the raise to get everyone to fold very often, so I see his raise as being for value - especially with players left to act behind him.

If we shove and we have the best hand, we win a medium sized pot. If we shove and we have the worst hand, we lose a huge pot. We probably need to have the best hand over 75% of the time (rough guess - I can't be bothered to work out the odds) to make shoving better than folding.