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rwood
50NL FR

Hero 67.xx ( 7 icon_suit_club.gif 2 icon_suit_club.gif )
Villian 63.xx

Villain limps UTG, CO calls, all else fold, Hero checks

Flop ($1.75)

9 icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif

Hero checks, Villain bets 1.50, CO folds, Hero calls

Turn ($4.75)

8 icon_suit_club.gif

Hero bets 3, Villain calls

River ($10.75)

Q icon_suit_diamond.gif

Hero bets 6, Villain raises to 18 to 24, Hero....

No reads really only played 2 orbits, villain isnt crazy laggy or anything
bdc30
I probably push.

A set or straight pays you off here, every time.
10 J is limp-able UTG for some.
rwood
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Tuesday, October 17th, 2006, 11:10 PM) *
I probably push.

A set or straight pays you off here, every time.
10 J is limp-able UTG for some.


wow, you push?

i dont see how we are pushing here, wouldnt a set have reraised the turn instead of the river? i can see JT as an option, but the flop bet makes no sense than, other than a straight stab.

i actually had trouble even calling the river reraise...maybe i've been playing too much PLO lately.
bdc30
QUOTE (rwood @ Tuesday, October 17th, 2006, 10:46 PM) *
i actually had trouble even calling the river reraise...maybe i've been playing too much PLO lately.


I think if you're calling the raise, you might as well push.

Raise>Fold. I don't like flat calling.

PM me and tell me what happened though.
krup24
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Tuesday, October 17th, 2006, 10:57 PM) *
I think if you're calling the raise, you might as well push.

Raise>Fold. I don't like flat calling.


No value in a push here. I don't think its a straight. TJ doesn't play this had the way villian did. I only see this being a set, a flush, or some weird 2 pair like 89. Although I think if our hero bets the flop this hand may play differently I flat call here all day long. I don't like jamming with a seven high frush cause every time I do I seem to be staring at something like KT icon_suit_club.gif or Q9 icon_suit_club.gif
Peak01
I think we are beat here more times than not but I still call this.

Do not push though.
rwood
i think i should have actually been able to find the fold button here.

bd and i have discussed this hand at length, and it's either a raise or fold IMO.

i am leaning more towards a fold, i just dont see any other hands except a flush raising this turn, espescially with a player who hasnt gotten out of line at all

furthermore, i think a flush is even more likely given his bet on the flop+his raise on the river.

what hand that bets that flop can RAISE the river like that, not an OESD, not a set, and i think a good majority of the time hands that 2pair up on the river will not raise.

obviously im not folding the flush here all the time, but i think on this hand it was def. something i should have been capable of. i know it sounds crazy at 50nl, but there are decent players there too, along with the plethora of fish.

/meh

FWIW he had the Ax icon_suit_club.gif 's
Acid_Knight
QUOTE (rwood @ Wednesday, October 18th, 2006, 9:40 AM) *
i think i should have actually been able to find the fold button here.

bd and i have discussed this hand at length, and it's either a raise or fold IMO.

i am leaning more towards a fold, i just dont see any other hands except a flush raising this turn, espescially with a player who hasnt gotten out of line at all

furthermore, i think a flush is even more likely given his bet on the flop+his raise on the river.

what hand that bets that flop can RAISE the river like that, not an OESD, not a set, and i think a good majority of the time hands that 2pair up on the river will not raise.

obviously im not folding the flush here all the time, but i think on this hand it was def. something i should have been capable of. i know it sounds crazy at 50nl, but there are decent players there too, along with the plethora of fish.

/meh

FWIW he had the Ax icon_suit_club.gif 's


Why on earth would you push? He's not likely to fold a flush bigger than yours, but he will fold every other hand.

You hand is perfectly capable of winning, so just call the bet and hope that he didn't make a bigger flush than you. Plus you're getting better than 2-1 on your money.

There is NO VALUE in pushing here. Folding seems pretty weak unless you have a super strong read on the guy.
Royal_Tour
QUOTE (rwood @ Wednesday, October 18th, 2006, 9:40 AM) *
i think i should have actually been able to find the fold button here.

bd and i have discussed this hand at length, and it's either a raise or fold IMO.

i am leaning more towards a fold, i just dont see any other hands except a flush raising this turn, espescially with a player who hasnt gotten out of line at all

furthermore, i think a flush is even more likely given his bet on the flop+his raise on the river.

what hand that bets that flop can RAISE the river like that, not an OESD, not a set, and i think a good majority of the time hands that 2pair up on the river will not raise.

obviously im not folding the flush here all the time, but i think on this hand it was def. something i should have been capable of. i know it sounds crazy at 50nl, but there are decent players there too, along with the plethora of fish.

/meh

FWIW he had the Ax icon_suit_club.gif 's



I wasnt gonna post in this thread, but now you're making me Woody.

acid / krup. and others are right on the money.

There is no need to push but it is a must call.

Think of it this way, what did you expect to happen if u hit the flush? U called a flop bet for this exact reason.
The turn brought the exact card you wanted. now just short of the straight flush on the river, you have what you were looking for.

even though you were raised on your river, you still need to call.
rwood
i actually did call on the hand, maybe because i got cold decked on this hand i am advocating folding for some reason...

i think it was an obv. call... i dunno...

ISAP
David_Nicoson
The flop play puts you in an awkward spot: you're out of position with a weak draw and there's lots of money left to play. Because a flat call here represents a four-flush to your opponent, he's not always going to pay you if you hit.

It's a good place for a fold. The villain made a reasonable bet, so you can't call on the merits of your hand based on pot odds.

It's a decent place to check-raise. The flop is all low cards (which a checked hand preflop could easily hit). I think it's pretty clear that you would go broke with this line for this particular turn card, but you might pick up a nice pot with air if the turn bricks.
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