I'm thinking of just basically nutbarring a tiny roll on Stars at their
lower limit NL omaha 8 tables. I'd basically play a version of the
smash system, in that any time I had a hand that was likely to be
a decent favourite preflop, I'd just shove and see if anyone called.

I figure, maybe one or two hundred, starting out at the $10 or $25
buyin tables....See if we can have a bit of fun with it....

What types of hands would we be looking for?
Anybody else interested?

We need to breathe some life in to this O8 forum, I think it's been
on life support for quite some time.

for my own sanity my converter--- http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

i'm game.

we each put up 200. let's do it for november or december (preferably starting mid-november). the goal is to increase the 200 by the most amount playing NLO8 and not go broke playing a smash like method.

i don't have a stars account so i think i'd be clearing a little bonus.

we would need to discuss blinds (i.e. in the BB how liberal we can play post flop)

i don't think turning 200 into 2000 in a month is unreasonable (supposing we don't run terrible) with enough hours/tables.

just thinking about it is giving me all sorts of ideas for the correct way to play it. i'll spend more time on it tommorrow.

we have to use proper bankroll management (never buy into a game for more than 5% of current bankroll.)

in? my panties are getting wet.

Yep, I'll do $200 on stars. We'll have to figure out hands, blinds, limits, etc.
And I also say we don't step on each other's toes, so to speak, so we can't
play at the same table as anyone else that does the challenge???

It'll be great, we can post hands, share successes and failures, what players
to pick on, move up in limits hopefully together.

ill play.

however i dont think you should be pushing preflop. your edge isnt that big. the idea of "smash" strat is to push and get called when you have a huge edge.

maybe only shove like aa2x, aa3x, and aaPAINTPAINT, aa double suited, type of hands preflop.

i think you should shove the following flops. obviously some of these you shove the draws also.

nut low + flush
nut low + any set
top set on some boards
nut low + wrap
nut low + straight
nut low draw + top two on boards like a t 4
broadway straight on a rainbow board
nut straight only with redraws if there are two to a low and you dont have one

i think with sets and flushes and flush draws you should also push with the second nut low.

etc....

it would be hard to make an exact guide for this. if you have aa on a a24 board you really dont want to be shoving.

i also think buying in short would help, like a little over half the max buy in.

okay, my session is done for the day and i can give this some thought.

we don't ever want to be sitting at the table w/ more than 5% of our bankroll in play. probably the most efficient way to achieve a large goal in a relatively short period is to short buy.

starting with $200 means we start out sitting in a $25 game with around $7. (i know $7 is conservative but it beats HAVING to drop down to a smaller number in the early stages).

i don't think we're limping into too many pots. i think the only hands we limp are suited A2's with middles and unsuited ABCs with a middle.

we're raising suited A2s with broadways and shoving any flop that gives us any chance.

with such a limited bankroll we're going to have to take extensive player notes (or at least i will). i'll probably spend an hour or two a day reading HHs from all the tables at the same times i play. we'll probably have to keep this information (ways to play specific targets) through PMs. i think a lot of people stumble across this forum and i don't want to embarass anyone or tap on the fish tank.

i'm also not going to post my stars sn.

another matter of concern is doubling up. if you start at 200, buy into a game for $10 and run it to $25 you are now playing with 1/11th of your bankroll in play on any hand (not ideal). i'm not super in favor of hitting and running all over the stars tables (not to mention we'd come across each other on tables much more often.) this is just a wrinkle we need to iron out.

with regards to when to move up: when br's at $300 buy in for $15 at the $50 game. when at 400 buy in for $20 at the $100 game. when at 800 buy in for $40 at the 200 game. if any of us make it past that we'll have to discuss how to move up.

anti-with regards to your last question: with a naked AA i think we should shove or fold p/f depending on action and players.

i think a lot of the play we'll be when and who to shove on with weak holdings when our fold equity outweighs our starting statistical disadvantage in the hand. (of course this will lead to higher variance but a higher winrate).

everything above is obviously an opinion and in no way do i contend that it is the best way. but after a day of thought this is what i could come up with.

thoughts?

Is this a common thing you guys do? I've never come across the concept of nutbarring until I started reading these forums a few days ago. I'd be up for it if you are willing to let an FCP newbie on board

it's not nutbarring. nutbarring is ridiculous (raising every hand and every street). this is trying to give shape to the best way to sail through the low limits playing a ridiculous game and this is somehow less ridiculous.

i vote to let the kid in. he seems nice enough.

i made a thread about playing 100 NLHE sngs with my cards covered (and bet that i could maintain a positive ROI and if anyone else would do it we would bet on who could maintain the highest ROI). NO ONE was interested.

if 5 show their interest 1 will do it.

I say we should do this. I'm not going to be putting in hours and hours of
reading histories, etc, but I will be foot-noting people that will flip coins with
marginal hands etc, in hopes of exploiting them over and over.

I like the idea of buying in short, say at the $25 for $8, or stuff like that.
I'm ready to fire this up whenever. $200 isn't going to change my life, and
I think we can have a bit of fun with it.

Lets have the 4 of us involved. When are you guys ready to start???

Navy? Eureka? Anti?

I'm gonna deposit on stars today and play around a bit and see how it goes.
I may post some hands later on...Wish me luck!!

oh, and navy, can i refer you, if you don't have a stars acct? little bonus cash to start
never hurt anybody...lol

Is this a call?

Poker Stars
No Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with q t a t
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO raises to $6.25, Hero folds, 4 folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $1.1

Limp/fold ok?

Poker Stars
No Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is CO with 6 7 a 2
UTG raises to $0.5, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: a k 8 ($2.5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $1.25, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds, 2 folds.

Shovel #1 = Loss....

Poker Stars
No Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 2 4 a 3
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises all-in $6.6, 3 folds, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: 7 q t ($14.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $14.2)


Turn: j ($14.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $14.2)


River: 8 ($14.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $14.2)


Results:
Final pot: $14.2

Button had AK27, beat me with K high kicker...argh

I'm ready to go whenever, got exams coming up so 'll be looking to play some low limit stuff to keep my poker mind fresh while I'm on a higher stakes break.

I'll have a tiral tomorrow and post some results after my first session. Hopefully, I get off to a better start than you bdc.

this is what i was talking about with regards to action. if you are going to play this hand you are going to want to isolate and you probably just don't have the stack. also with 2 limpers and the rest of the field behind (and each successive hand getting better odds to call) i think it's an easy fold. i think being the one shoving is infinately better.



this is exactly the way i suggested in my above beginning strat guide.

I'll try this out on stars.

Same SN as here if you want to avoid me

I'll probably try sitting with 15 at 50$ or 30 at 100$.

Edit: 30 minutes up ~100$ lol.

I have been leaving the table after I double.


Smash?

PokerStars Game #6695457811: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/19 - 21:09:54 (ET)
Table 'Aretaon III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: skimpy111 ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 2: mishink8 ($128.80 in chips)
Seat 3: ANILIHATOR ($119.40 in chips)
Seat 4: jjgoldy5 ($38.85 in chips)
Seat 8: bennybolt ($39.80 in chips)
mishink8: posts small blind $0.50
ANILIHATOR: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jjgoldy5 [Ah 9s 9d Ac]
jjgoldy5: calls $1
bennybolt: folds
skimpy111: calls $1
mishink8: calls $0.50
ANILIHATOR: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 5d Ad]
mishink8: checks
ANILIHATOR: checks
jjgoldy5: bets $2
skimpy111: calls $2
mishink8: folds
ANILIHATOR: folds
*** TURN *** [As 5d Ad] [2h]
jjgoldy5: bets $35.85 and is all-in
skimpy111: folds
jjgoldy5 collected $7.65 from pot
jjgoldy5: shows [Ah 9s 9d Ac] (HI: four of a kind, Aces)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8 | Rake $0.35
Board [As 5d Ad 2h]
Seat 1: skimpy111 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: mishink8 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ANILIHATOR (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jjgoldy5 collected ($7.65)
Seat 8: bennybolt folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Is this what I am supposed to do? Also, I'm a little sketchy on what happens when I limp with my A2 and it gets raised behind me. What about a hand like A-3-paint-paint double suited, muck it preflop?

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Poker Stars
No Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.05
UTG+1: $35.10
MP1: $58.85
MP2: $22.80
MP3: $4.60
CO: $21.20
Button: $23.95
SB: $14.75
HERO: $5.90

Pre-flop: (9 players) HERO is BB with 7 t j j
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, 3 folds, HERO checks.

Flop: 9 4 j ($1.1, 4 players)
HERO is all-in $5.65, 3 folds.
Uncalled bets: $5.65 returned to HERO.

Results:
Final pot: $1.1

I tripled up on a single table and probably should have left, then I picked up AA ds, moved in PF and won. My session results are below...



Poker Stars
No Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $44.70
UTG+1: $70.10
MP1: $19.65
HERO: $21.65
Button: $14.25
SB: $14.95
BB: $12.45

Pre-flop: (7 players) HERO is CO with Ad Jd 7s As
UTG calls, 2 folds, HERO raises all-in $21.65, Button folds, SB calls all-in $14.85, 2 folds.
Uncalled bets: $6.7 returned to HERO.

Flop: 4d 7h Ac ($1, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $30.4)


Turn: Js ($1, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $30.4)


River: Ts ($1, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $30.4)


Results:
Final pot: $1

everything looks good to me. there are very few hands villian could have on this board that you scoop but gj.

i wish i could be doing this too but i have to wait until mid november (i have another stupid little goal i'm doing now).

i like the shove on the JJ hand. anyone else wait for a low on the turn?

What do you think about open shoving for 30BBs with AAQ6 double suited from UTG+1?

Or about this hand.

Take a flop from the SB with K1088ds,

Flop comes Q 8 2, 2 diamonds, none of my suits.

I check, MP bets 1/2 pot (3bbs) I decide to wait for a safe turn to get crazy.

Turn is a 2, pairing the board. I shove. 25 into a 10$ pot.