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cdipierr
Not sure there's really anything wrong with this play, but a 2nd (or 3rd) opinion never hurt. This is from a live tourney at the Trop in AC from over the weekend.

Blinds are at the 4th level, which is 25 ante, 100/200 blinds. My stack is about 5000 (which is also the starting stack level). 10 players at the table, so 550 in the pot to start.

The other players in this hand are as follows:
V1 -- Chip leader, more by accident than by good play. He's not playing badly, but he's a vanilla basic player.

V2 -- About the same stack as mine, but is extremely LP. He's still around due to a suckout or two.

Dealt KK in MP, unopened to me.

I make it 800 (too small?). Called by V1 and V2, both of whom have position on me. Everyone else folds.

Pot: 2950

Flop:
Q 6 3, two spades (I have no spade):

I bet 2000.

V1 calls quickly. V2 thinks and pushes (for about what I have).

If I fold I'm down to around 2100. Play here?
throwemaway
QUOTE (cdipierr @ Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 7:05 AM) *
Not sure there's really anything wrong with this play, but a 2nd (or 3rd) opinion never hurt. This is from a live tourney at the Trop in AC from over the weekend.

Blinds are at the 4th level, which is 25 ante, 100/200 blinds. My stack is about 5000 (which is also the starting stack level). 10 players at the table, so 550 in the pot to start.

The other players in this hand are as follows:
V1 -- Chip leader, more by accident than by good play. He's not playing badly, but he's a vanilla basic player.

V2 -- About the same stack as mine, but is extremely LP. He's still around due to a suckout or two.

Dealt KK in MP, unopened to me.

I make it 800 (too small?). Called by V1 and V2, both of whom have position on me. Everyone else folds.

Pot: 2950

Flop:
Q 6 3, two spades (I have no spade):

I bet 2000.

V1 calls quickly. V2 thinks and pushes (for about what I have).

If I fold I'm down to around 2100. Play here?



Call..Everything looks pretty standard to me..I would play it exactly the same, maybe even raise less PF but depending standard starting raise and table dynamics, 800 is fine too..Considering you got two callers, I'm assuming this was a standard raise
simo_8ball
Yeah, it's a fairly easy call. Preflop and flop fine.
Shizzmoney
As for preflop, everything looks pretty good considering you want action on your hand, although raising it to 1K might of been better since I like raising the pot when antes come into play. But the raise isn't bad, still good enough.

As for the flop, definite call here. The villian might have Q6 or Q3, but you still have outs, and most of the time you are up against AQ/QJ/Q9 here. He also could have 4s5s and is hoping you have AK and missed.
cdipierr
Hmm, everyone keeps referring to the villian singular.

Remember V1 had called, and he has a ton of chips, so he's likely to call as well. Does that change anything? I agree flush draws and AQ are likely hands, but are we sure we're up against two of those?
shpaget
QUOTE (cdipierr @ Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 11:36 AM) *
Hmm, everyone keeps referring to the villian singular.

Remember V1 had called, and he has a ton of chips, so he's likely to call as well. Does that change anything? I agree flush draws and AQ are likely hands, but are we sure we're up against two of those?


Yeah, you could be against a set and a flush draw, or two sets.

You could also be up against AQ and KQ...or AQ and a flush draw...or two flush draws...if you're against Q6 or 63, oh well..."hee haw" and you still have outs. There are just too many scenarios where you're ahead of both hands AND a collective favourite against both hands.

Forget about the fact that if big stack folds you're getting 5:1 on your call...if big stack calls you're getting 6:1. You don't think you have 15% chance of beating both players?

To be honest with you, with 4100 in chips and a pot of 2900, I'm open pushing the flop.
cdipierr
Yeah, ok, I agree with the call, just wanted the expert opinion. I figured flush draw and AQ.

Turned out that V1 had 66, V2 had A5 of spades. 66 held and I was out.

Wasn't really annoyed at how the hand went, I know beats are a part of the game, but wanted to make sure I did all I could to prevent the chance of taking the beat.
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