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Wily
This is a question about a specific situation - on a tight, aggressive table, when the hand is folded to you in the SB and you hold a premium hand.

On a 3/6 limit table, I'm dealt AKo on the SB. Hand is folded to me, I raise, the BB calls. Flop comes down K 8 3, rainbow. I bet, he raises.

The conventional play, of course, is to three bet. But on tight, highly aggressive tables, I find that almost all of the time that, if the BB has hit a small part of the flop, he'll raise for information, and fold to a three-bet. I feel that I'm not extracting sufficient value from my premium hands when I could represent a blind steal and then raise on the turn. I'm reading the BB for A8 at best, and this is an ideal situation for me to extract value.

When I three-bet here, he folded, realizing that I wasn't on a steal.

Now, I'm thinking that I should modify my play in this specific situation to call his raise, and check raise the turn.

I'm almost positive that if I call raise and check the turn, he will bet and allow me to raise him. I'll be able to extract one or more big bets from him (if he decides to call, which he might on the turn and river) and let my premium hand be paid off. So with the following factors, i think that "slow playing" a premium hand until the turn may be an EV+ move

1) Tight table, aggressive players who bet and raise with draws and overcards on flops
2) Premium hand (AK hitting the flop, or AA, KK, QQ as overcards)
3) Hand is folded to you in the SB
4) You bet the flop and the opponent raises
5) Board does not have any obvious draws

Any thoughts on this move? Thanks.
Vade
I don't think you have any advantage gained by surrendering the lead.
wrto4556
It sucks when they have bottome pair with an overcard kicekr, a flush draw, or a straight draw and check behind you on the turn.

Personally, I like to pull the stop n go.

B/c-B/r-B/r

or

B/c-C/c-B/r



What you are thinking is on track, but you don't think a TAG would fold to the turn C/r? A stop n go type play is better as they almost have to call with a medium pair on the river.
slappy110
wrto...im assuming what those abbreviations meant was bet/call the flop...then lead on the turn and again on the river? if so...the problem here is that this doesn't gain much simply because you re assuming that the bb will call you down, not a characteristic of someone who is tight aggressive...(unless you know your table image to him is someone who is very aggressive and could be making this same play with 66 or something) In this spot, i think the most important factor as to what action to take, depends on the turn card...If for example the turn is an overcard to his pair, like say a jack, then you have to lead out at him because the liklihood of him taking a free card is to great...if the card were like a deuce or 5, an undercard to his pair...then a check call, lead on river is in store. You're read of this player is huge too...if he is the conservative type...then you definitely want to lead at the river because you know otherwise he'll check and take a freeshowdown....but if you know him to be a very aggressive player who will try to get maximum value out of all hands...and the river comes another undercard or even another king (presumably at this point he won't put you on a king given the action) you can go for the check raise ( i know, not conventional..but in this case it may be correct) and by that time, he almost has to call because it will cost him 1 more bet and there are already 9 big bets in the pot....
what you do in a case like this depends on primarily the following factors;
1)your table image
2) his table image
3)the later street cards and how you're opponent views them
wrto4556
Say you have 7 icon_suit_heart.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif in the BB. It's folded around to the small blind who raises. What do you do?

I 3-bet it, as most TAG players will.

Flop comes K icon_suit_club.gif 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif 2 icon_suit_diamond.gif

The SB leads the flop and you raise. Right? SB just calls.

The turn brings a non diamond card. Say, 8 icon_suit_club.gif

The SB leads, what do you do?

By leading, you set yourself up for bluffs. A C/r is a sign of strength, but by betting here you have just gained an edge in blind war. The next time he raises you can bet with nothing. And yes, a TAG will call down with a pair heads up, or he should. But if he is C/r'ed it gives him much innitiative to fold.

Btw, C/r'ing an aggressive player is not how you get the most money. You lead into him so he will raise and you can 3-bet.

By pulling a stop n go you can set up for bluffs, you can set up for 3-bets, and you keep him in the pot with marginal hands. You have to keep people honest a certain amount of times or they will run all over you. Betting here is perfect for that senario. The pot is laying him 5-1 on his call. You only have to bluff him out of the pot 25% of the time to show a profit. He almost can't laydown any pair except bottom pair.

Now, assuming he doesn't have a pair, he will either fold or raise. If he raises you get much chips, if he folds, he's looking you up next time when he has any piece of the flop to keep you honest.
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