Played a hand in AC last week, not sure if i did it right or got the most money out if it as i could. let me know what you think.

1/2 game on the button, fold to me and i have 8c9c. i raise to 8 and big blind calls.

Flop
Qc 2d 7c

BB checks, I bet 15 BB calls

Turn
10d

BB checks, i bet 40, BB calls

River
Jc, giving me the flush

All of a sudden BB perks up and throws out 60 bucks, I think for a minute, was he chasing higher flush? i just smooth called, flipped over flush. he looks at board funny and mucks. cant put him on a hand, he was calling everything. Whould a re-raise at river been better on my part, or was smooth call the safest bet? only a few hand I can really really put him on that he would call all the way down (AKd, AQ, MAYBE QJ)

The chance that you might get priced out on the turn pop into your head? What did you put him on at the turn (Before or after)? Since I don't think you had any clue where he was at, probably better to take a free card... you're draw is huge, but you're folding if he comes over the top.

I guess to me it depends on his stack size. If you raise and he reraises 300 more (or something similar) what do you do?

Also if you miss you flush and straight what is your play on the river?

Do you think so? 1/2 game has a max buy of $200, plus.....

yea, turn card did make me think, but the way he checked.. just didnt feel right. plus this guy was crazy, two hands prior to this he called an all in with Q-3 against pocket aces (flop came 5-3-3). just to give you an example. the more i think about it, smooth call on river was best bet.. only way i would have gotten called with a raise on river was if i was beat.

also, i had him in chips as well, i think i was sitting at about 500-600 while he was at about 300.



I was playing at the hilton, max there is 300.





That is another thing that was funny, my river bet was going to be about 60-70 if he checked it again.

See this post doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. if he checks and it feels right to bet, that to me says I feel like he has something marginal and I can blow him off the hand. The guy called and all in with Q3, makes me think I'm not folding him if he has anything, so i'd rather showdown a hand to him. and I don't have a hand at the turn which makes a check much better. Plus, if he's crazy and bad, he pays off the flush here. He called an all in with Q3. Booo to not raising the river.

So, you think check on turn, and raise on river would have gotten me more chips? with the way the hand was played out though, i still think smooth call on river was best. but looking back, check on turn, and re-raise on river would have gotten me more.

It seems you are getting mixed reviews on your play here.
I like the agressive style with the suited connectors. You had a huge draw on the turn so there is argument for checking for the free river however, betting makes it hard for your opponent to put you on the draw so when it hits you get paid.
I like it. I also like the smooth call on the river just in case. The 1/2 NL live games are like the .25/.50 online games. Total donkfest. so I play them VERY aggressive. It seems to work out where I play.

EDIT: I missed the part where the dude called an all in with Q3. Now I say raise river. But I stick to the aggressive turn bet. Sounds like he has QJ.

Checking the turn: Gets you more in the LR against an apparent calling station as you usually don't complete your draw and he usually calls the river. So you lose less money when you don't get there which is more important than "sweetening" a pot you will not be able to steal on the river.

Thats a good point.



yea, when that river hit, that was one of hands i put him on (was nervous of higher flush too, seems like 4 out of 5 hands someone was getting a flush). if that was it, a J would have been sweet, i would have popped it up there and pray he didnt have AK.

Someone asked me a good question, what would you have done, betting turn and not getting there on river? I still think i would have bet 60 if he checked to me again.

No, See post above, but the gist is we don't value bet hands when we're an underdog. Sweetening the pot against a player we will not be able to steal is wrong at this level.

Ex.

I bet the turn $40 and get called by qj
I complete 30% of the time and bet $100 (saying $100 cause 60 has little FE) and get called.
I win $240 30% of the time= $80
I don't complete 70% of the time
I lose $40 70% of the =-$28
I lose $140 70% of the time =-$98 If I decide to take a stab.
If he makes a weird turn C/R we can't call usually and get priced out of the pot and get an immediate loss of $40. Not quantified.

If I don't bet the turn
I complete 30% of the time and get called for $40 on the river= $12
If he makes a donk bet it's more.. not going to quantify.


Runnin to lunch w/ coworkers... I may edit this if it's wrong.

Edit: A raise can be profitable if we intend to check UI rivers. however, we need to be assured of a high probability of calling the big river bet.

Atleast some places have a good structure. one of the places I play live at $200 max is $2-4 blinds and they just bumped it to $200 it used to be $100 no more no less. Fu.ckin morons

Casino's make more money the smaller their cap is in NL games. The only reason for a casino to increase their cap is comptetion.

he obv had AK

I agree with Scott. check the turn and I think a call on river is fine. He could of even had K9 and didnt see the flush.

That's all you need to consider. Your river play was fine... there is no value (and possibly a big loss) in raising him.

Given that he didn't seem to realise a flush was out there, I think we could easily have raised and got called by a weaker hand.

(Obviously if we read him well enough to know that, we would probably also know that he had AK, so this is a somewhat arbitrary post anyway. Please ignore this.)

The man called a preflop all in with q3.

He had implied odds. Calling with the Q3 in that hand can get us to raise with our worse flush here. He could be a genius.

Oops.. I missed that. That increases the EV of a raise here. Nevertheless, I probably still call the river (bad players can hit good hands too). It depends on my overall read of him at that moment.