Both villans in the hand are the reason I'm at the table. Both were above 60/20/5 over a good sample size. Against these villans, is this still and easy fold?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($329.50)
MP ($233.20)
CO ($74.60)
Hero ($230.25)
SB ($303)
BB ($152.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T , T . SB posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB (poster) calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($24) 7 , 5 , 9 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, SB calls $18, BB raises to $89,

That's a toughie right there. Would this villian c/r with a flush draw?

It's important to remember what the villian thinks about us.


I'm willing to gamble with volitale players like these.




I probably push if I feel like this villian loves moving chips.

maybe not against one maniac, but against two, i fold. the BB's raise puts you to a push or fold decision. if you push, SB might still come with a flush or OESD, and he'd be getting the right price to do it. BB's committed enough to probably come along regardless of what happens. if both come, I don't like the chances of our TT holding up in a 3 way pot with the board like this. even if it's just you and the BB, if he's got anything reasonable you're either crushed or not ahead by much. you can push the margins more against maniacs, but i prefer the margins to be a little wider than this.

How often have they been C/ring you in these types of situations? As the BB, I have air here a decent amount of the time. However, that flop really should be in one of their wheel houses. I'm not willing to give SB credit for much here. Most of the time he's got some sort of weak pair. So BB could be on a squeeze here as well.

I don't know... one of those hands that the dynamics of the table should really dictate, but as the BB has 150 to start and is not overly deepstacked, I'd probably reraise him here to get him all in expecting SB to fall out. Totally disregard this if he's not check raising you're c-bet's w/ regularity. It would be my experience that he probably is tho.

I'm letting this go. Even AJh is a big hand here. I'm betting one of them hit this harder than my pocket 10's.

I have seen these villans play for stacks with 2nd pair during the session... that's what makes this tough. Against 2 normal players, it's an auto fold. Another factor is that it's such a draw heavy board....

Somebody mentioned that I can't just call and I agree. If I just call, SB should be pushing. So.... push or fold?

this is really what it comes down to. If this is one of the first times they've done it, then it's a fold... if not, i'm gonna grow a pair for this hand and push.

These two guys think a pair is the nuts. They raise, reraise, etc without thinking much. The problem is the size of the raise which is way out of character (raises are usually smaller). It seems like a flush draw or a made hand to me.

Well I just wanted other people's thoughts. I did lay it down and it was a mistake. I folded, SB pushed, and villan called. One had top pair and the other second pair. I need to grow some nuts and make that call knowing villans are psychos.

Even psychos wake up with big hands occasionally. Don't beat yourself up. You played it fine.

If I did just raise and saw SB do that, i would have sh it myself before i saw the cards.

BB was commited when he raised huge, that's what made me fold.

I push with the right read, which is what you provided.

But this is sooooo dependent on game conditions and reads, etc, that I think it's one of those hands that can go so many different ways.

- Zach