Both games are 3/6 ring. Both opponents' notes include "LAG".



Two nights ago:

I am on the button with K K (suits irrelevant).

..., I open, SB three-bets, BB cold-calls, I cap, SB calls, BB calls.

(12 sb, 3 plrs) A K 8

SB checks, BB checks, I bet, SB check-raises, BB cold-calls, I three-bet, SB caps, BB cold-calls, I call.

(12 bb, 3 plrs) 3

SB bets, BB folds, I raise, SB three-bets, I cap, SB calls.

(20 bb, 2 plrs) 8

SB bets, I raise, SB three-bets, I cap, SB calls.

SB shows A A and wins the 28 BB pot.



Last night:

I am CO with 8 8 (suits irrelevant).

..., MP opens, I three-bet, ..., BB cold-calls, MP caps, I call, BB calls.

(12 sb, 3 plrs) Q 7 3

BB checks, MP bets, I raise, BB cold-calls, MP three-bets, I call, BB calls.

(10.5 bb, 3 plrs) 8

BB checks, MP bets, I raise, BB folds, MP three-bets, I cap, MP calls.

(18.5 bb, 2 plrs) 8

MP bets, I raise, MP three-bets, I cap, MP calls.

MP mucks Q Q and I win the 26.5 BB pot.



The first hand was some serious salt in a big cold-deck + 500-suckout wound... but boy, did I ever feel like a super fish after that second hand...

In case you missed it:

First hand, I lost the max possible 12 BB since every street was capped. Kings to aces sucks, but flopped set of kings to flopped set of aces sucks even more.

Second hand, I lost almost the max possible with 11.5 BB since only the flop was uncapped. But the clincher -- I caught perfect perfect running 8's to suck out with running quads against top set. Phew, I have never pulled that one before and maybe never will...

What a sick game... these swings are sick sick sick.



Ok, that is all... hope you enjoyed. =D

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I do not recall the last time I put 12BB into a pot. I'm sure it's probably happened once, but I've certainly forgotten.

Yes, I can probably count on one hand the total number of times I have done that. I don't want to say that the KK hand was the only time because I can't imagine I haven't done it before, but I certainly don't remember it -- it's a rare occasion such a thing happens.

And it doesn't help when you have the opponent labeled as a LAG. =D

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The other night I turned no less than 5 sets last night to people "slow playng" Tptk and two pair. 7 buy-ins up in 1000 hands.

I dont know if LAG is enough to take the river to 4 bets in the first one.


Your hand is completely obvious to him by then (well - the fact that you have top or second set). And if you have kings, there isnt much left in the deck for him to be happy with.

If my database didn't die, I'd show you an example of me having quads, and capping every street vs K-high....

That isnt "LAG" by most standards. That's just a bad player.

24/15/2 is pretty "lag" by full ring standards, but there're a lot of good players that hover around that. Preflop looseness shouldnt be confused with maniacal aggression postflop.

You know how often i get 4 bets on multiple streets from people who cant tell the difference?


I guess it depends on what aki means when he says (or uses the note) lag.

Oh I know that my example had zero relevence...

Cool.

so I have no idea about PT numbers for these guys. I haven't used PT in ages. I tend to not write LAG unless I actually see them do funky stuff like raise 86s utg or open with T7o from MP3, etc. Or on the other hand, when I see them 3bet from the SB after one limper and one raise with QTo or 44. etc.

as for postflop, LAG implies that they make a lot of bluffs and/or checkraises with air, or donk on scare cards with 5 high, and/or get in many **** measuring contests with ace high, etc.

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Why no more PT/ Game HUD?

The river cap is terrible in the first hand. I mean honestly, what do you think he has? After the PF cap and flop cap, I'd put him on a range of AA or AK and I think I'd probably call down after the three-bet on the turn. If he's really LAG, I might cap the turn, but I'd just call the lead on the river. By the time he three-bets the river, you're up against AA or 88 a good 90-95% of the time.

I dont know about 90-95% of the time.

But definitely not enough to 4bet the river.

Against most players, probably not often enough to even raise the river.