I just saw something on NBC about a school shooting equal to columbine. Any of you Canadiens know what the deal is ?

College shooting in MTL. 2 or more guys in trenchcoats entered the building and shot like crazy.

Yep, in Montréal. here is the link to the Canadian national newspaper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

So it was 1 gunman with a machine gun ?

canadians r dum

Kill yourself now please.

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Finally you make a worthwhile post

1 guy, cops gunned him down. Not sure how many people were hit, between 4 and 6 i think

It's funny (not the shooting)...canadians have always been so high and mighty about how there is no gun violence there compared to America. In fact a lot of canadians are kind of afraid to go to the U.S. because they think there is so much violence here. I know from experience. I used to have a girlfriend in Montreal and I spent a lot of time there. Now they have something happen that is just as bad, if not worse than anything that has ever happened in a school in America.

Quebec is not part of Canada.

(sw)

I'm hoping you left off an SW there somewhere. Are you kidding me?

I'm commenting on the attitudes of Canadians in general towards Americans and the way they incorrectly perceive violence here. I'm not making light of the shooting in any way. Of course it is a horrible tragedy.

I've never experienced these attitudes you speak of.

It's a fact. We have less gun violence. No country in the world has NO gun violence, the USA just demolishes pretty much every country in this respect, perhaps without including the war torn countries.

There is DEFINITELY an SW needed for your first post, indicating that this is worse than anything that's happened in the US. AINEC.

GL.

- Zach

As far as school shootings go, it is hard to find anything worse than what just happened in Montreal. Columbine is maybe equal, but that's it. No SW needed.

As far as my experience there, all I know is that when I was there when people found out I was American a lot of the time the conversation evertually went to the violence in american and them asking what my opinion of it was, or asking how I handled it. Then watching the news there, everything is so sensationalized when it comes to violence in America. They make it seem a lot worse than it is. Maybe you've never experienced it because you've never been an American visiting Canada.

This is the third shooting at a school in montreal alone. At polytechnique in '89 16 women were gunned down. So ar i think besides the shooter there is 1 dead and some are still critical. Gun violence in canada is way lower than in the states, and this doesn't even come close to Columbine shootings, or that snipper a while back. Those were all done with guns that are banned in Canada who has way stricter gun policy than the states( is there even a policy or can you just go buy a freaking Ak anywhere). The shooting today was done most likely with a hunting gun, that was probably legal.

There is just no way to prevent these inexcusable crimes.

I was 4 blocks away from the shool in question at Concordia University and we hosted all the students who evacuated, there were helicopters everywhere and cops swarming, the metro was closed... pretty instense.

Actually I must add that at the time I had never felt less safe than I did during my time in Montreal. It's pretty scary there. My girlfriends brother was shot at on the street. And a friend of his was murdered (not at the same time). I have never personally known an American that has ever been shot at anywhere.

Last year 35 people were murdered in Montreal , over 600 in chicago. You are right Canadians are delusional when it comes to American violence.

Try 20.

1 dead now, and 19 wounded....8 of them in critical condition.







In 1989 14 women were shot dead at another Montreal college by a "crazed" gunman. That was our "worst".

Also, all Canadians don't have the same opinions.

You are kidding, right? I was looking for the SW but you forgot it I guess ...

Let's be clear here. There is substanially lower violence with firearms in Canada, that is a fact. That said, it does happen and just because firearms are restricted does not mean they are impossible for some whacko to get.

High and mighty Canadians? That is funny. I have way too many friends, busines associates, and casual acquaintances in the states to even take this seriously. Like the states, Canadians are a mixed bag, the good, the bad, and the ugly (no bets on which category I belong to, so I will go with 'good' ) so you get a little of everything.

Canada: different but not too different, ... and we *did* invent basketball so there is lots to be positive about.

Whackos with black tranch coats and mohawks caring automatic weapons into schools: shoot them in Canada AND the U.S.A. Equal opportunity for those guys as far as I am concerned.

You can buy any assault rifle in the states, and not a one of them performs any different than a good hunting rifle.

Automatic weapons have been banned in the us for a very long time.

I just found it funny that people always consider a more dangerous looking weapon more harmful.

Those numbers are a bit misinforming since Chicago is almost double the size of Montreal. But anyway, I never doubted that there is more violence in America. Of course there is. A big reason for this is we have a hell of a lot more people. My contention is that Canadians think it is a lot worse than it actually is.

Yes because 35x2=600

Read the whole thread...and basketball was invented in Massachusetts.

That's possible.

As for comparing this to Columbine, as little as I know about this current on in Mtl, was Columbine not like 10x more tragic, with many more deaths?

You beat me to it...lol.

I'd love to see a city by city comparison stat on the subject.

Anybody see Bowling for Columbine?? lol

Ok you're right. Columbine was worse. My mistake. There were 12 killed and 24 wounded in Columbine. With this one in Montreal I've seen reports of one to six killed, and up to 20 wounded. Not quite as bad as columbine, but still up there.

Anyway, like I said, all I was trying to say is that people in Canada have unreasonable fears when it comes to violence in America. I say this because of my experience talking to people and watching the news in Canada. And I think it's a bit ironic that something like this happened there, and that I had never felt more unsafe then when I was in Montreal. That's all.

Ah yes, splitting non-existing hairs. Basketball was invented by a Canadian who was working in Springfield, Mass. A great example of the positive synergy between Canada and the U.S.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/naismith.html

I was invented by a canadian who developped it at MCGill in Montreal and then brougth it to Massachusetts where it got it's name.

So a candian invented it, we're the best!

You're an idiot. Now we have something? There was a shooting years ago in Montreal where a lunatic gunned down innocent people. Try not to make your happiness so apparent.

The US is a safe place, safer than even most Americans think.

Canada is safer but sometimes things will happen.

If you want to talk about danger try South Africa, particularly Jo'Burg

Why and how has this turned into an American-Canadian issue?

Read the whole thread Digi.

Flushgarden instigated the us and them conversation.

I was just thinking the same thing.






And it's dumb.

edit: nevermind...I'll be nice in the interest of Canadian/American relations. lol

Well-played. Let's just have a thought for all of those affected by today's tragedy.

Sorry to disagree Alf...


But the manufacture of new machineguns was banned in 1986. All of the approx. 350-400,000 existing ones are still avalible to us civilians. I own several of them


There hasnt been a crime associated with a LEGAL class3 weapon (machine guns,short barreled rifles,silencers, AOW which are pen guns and the like, or destructive devices) except for a cop that went off the deep end several years ago.

We submit fingerprints and mug shots along with a local background check to the FBI for a much more in depth BG check. Upon approval (and the cashing of your $200 check to the IRS) you are allowed to take possesion of the item from the dealer. Once transfered to you, noone can ever have access to it unless you are with them. I keep mine in a vault, and by law my own wife cannot have the combination.


The fine for having an UNREGISTERED machinegun is $25,000 and 10 years next to Bubba. Strangely, its not a weapons crime but tax evasion. The IRS issues a tax stamp and cancels it like a regular postage stamp.









scary huh?

Thank you for saying that. In the midst of this fighting we seem to forget why this argument started.

It is HARD to get one beans..reeeeeally hard for a criminal to get one.


I still say that most of these anti-gun nuts are just afraid of what an assault rifle looks like. Most of these anti-gun nuts think every A-3 and AR-15 out there is a fully automatic machine gun..when it's not.


BTW...can you turn me on to a nice short barrell AR-15?

What am I looking at? 2.5k?

You can get one for the cost of the lower.... $120

Upper.... $400


Tax stamp....$200


Engraving at trophy shop... $40


A semi SBR is the cheapest NFA item you can own. Just fill out a form1 from the BATF and wait about 6-8 weeks for approval. After that you can stick on any length barrel youd like. The lower needs to be engraved with your name and address as the manufacturer after approval. Be sure and keep a copy of the approval with you at all times to show the local cops.


You'll need:

2 completed form1's

2 mug shots (you can use passport photos from Walgreens)

2 fingerprint cards

1 certification of citizenship

Your local sherrif or chief of police to sign the back of the form1's

$200 check made out to BATFE

Mail to BATF in WV



Make sure that your state allows NFA. Some like MO,CA,NJ,and WA dont allow.


Go to AR15.com and click on General class3 and read up on the short barreled rifle thread...


You can make your own SBRs, silencers, and AOW's


Machineguns cant be made anymore except by class2 manu. selling to law enforcement and military... thats why a reg M-16 cost $12,000+ and Uzis and Macs are $3,500 to $8,000 now


A .22 silencer can be bought for around $300 and pistol and rifle cans are around $500- $1000


You can get the form1's finger cards and citi doc at BATFE.com. It takes them a few days to mail them to you, but its better than downloading an out of date one from the web



Also, if you set up a trust or a corporation, the buisness can buy the item for investment purposes and eliminate the mugs, fingerprints, and citi form



Beware tho... its an addictive hobby



And expensive! The 16 Zach is holding cost $3000 just a few years ago... I wouldnt take less than $15K for it now





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note to self: don't make fun of beans

Horrible what happened today in Montreal.............

Since the thread has been hijacked I just would like to add that I am not the least bit concerned that Beans young son is holding a hand cannon, in fact, after taking in all of his posts over my time here, it really seems to fit.

I am however deeply disturbed by the fact that Beans has a pink, flowery, box of kleenex in prime view in his kitchen.

I used to feel very safe in the lovely coastal town I live in in Massachusetts, until the bombing plot was discovered at the local high school. The universal constant is now that there are sickos everywhere.

As has already been said, the important thing right now is to pray for the victims and their families in Montreal.

It is disturbing....


Thats why I have a garage/shop to hide in





...meh




Look at this crap.... keep in mind that this is at the cabin and the wife decorated in a "country" theme...


*edit* I was trying to post another pic BUT this came up....THE FOLLOWING ERROR(S) WERE FOUND
Sorry, dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags are not allowed



What the hell does this mean?



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The link that you put inbetween the image tags has to end in a regular image extension like .jpg, .gif, etcetera. If it ends in .htm or something like that, it won't post, because that's a webpage extension, not an image extension.

Beans...I forget...you were a comedy writer right?

what is almost comedic about this event is that i watched it develop on CNN, and the coverage was hilarious.

After watching several hours of footage, I went home with the knowledge that there were 4 gunmen, two of whom were dead, and 20 injured.

CNN reported for nearly the whole afternoon that there were 4 gunmen. Amazing.

Sensationalize much?

Much too much.

They were once reporting that Steve Irwin was ambushed by a gang of sting rays.