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Money022
Here's a general scenario that I seem to be having issues with when playing OOP.

Say I'm delt AKos in EP and bet 4xbb, It's only called by one player who has position on me. Flop comes something like 59Q rainbow. I make a c-bet of 2/3 to 3/4 the pot and my opponent just calls. The turn doesn't improve my hand and now I'm faced with a decision to make.

It seems you can fire a second round and hope to take it down, or check and run up the white flag.

Now I realize there are numerous factors when making any decision, but this is one spot that seems to throw me. I'm consider myself somewhat TAG and will almost always fire a c-bet of this size whether I hit or miss the flop. It seems to keep your opponents guessing. Did Money hit or miss, which is it? But what do you do when you miss the flop and turn. Is it standard to concede defeat here?

If this line of questioning is too general let me know and we can let the the thread crash an burn. Thanks in advance for any replies though.
MasterLJ
Concede defeat and save a lot of money.
fckthis
LJs response is correct, generally. There are times you can fire the next bullet, especially when your opponent has the tendency to make very loose flop calls.
Money022
Simple enough. Thanks guys.
MasterLJ
QUOTE (fckthis @ Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 3:49 PM) *
LJs response is correct, generally. There are times you can fire the next bullet, especially when your opponent has the tendency to make very loose flop calls.


There are a few flops and a few players that I will fire twice against, but to give any sort of absolute statement (which I generally don't like doing) I will say that you need to give up here.

Your board is especially dangerous to fire twice against because you only have 3 outs that won't make you crap your pants (the ace) and they might not even be good because your opponent may have AQ. If they have JT, then if the King hits you now have a hand, but they have the nuts. Or they could have QK, in which case you are drawing thin as well.

Point being, all you have is fold equity (FE) and banking on FE OOP is not a good plan.
No_Neck
there are low stakes players that will call the flop with litterally anything, unfortunately against them you have to fire two bullets to see where you are at.

you need to pay attention and figure out who those players are.
aim786
If the villain get's in the habit of betting the turn when you check, you could also consider checking good hands on the turn. Then you can either c/r or bet out on the river (depending on the board). This would work especially well if villain usually fires a big bet on the turn to take down the pot.
Zach6668
QUOTE (aim786 @ Thursday, September 14th, 2006, 3:33 PM) *
If the villain get's in the habit of betting the turn when you check, you could also consider checking good hands on the turn. Then you can either c/r or bet out on the river (depending on the board). This would work especially well if villain usually fires a big bet on the turn to take down the pot.

You still play poker?
aim786
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Thursday, September 14th, 2006, 2:59 PM) *
You still play poker?


Lol I think I'm over 5k now tongue.gif
leducks2004
Dont waste your money check it and see if you can see a free turn card or a cheap one that will give you some hope
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