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That's messed up. It does bring up an interesting problem though...how would he go about bringing legal action against OnGame? They are based in Stockholm, Sweden, and the service that they offer to Americans is, at best, of questionable legality. I wonder if a lawyer in the US would even take the case. It would have to be a high-dollar lawyer that is well-versed in International, US and Swedish law to be effective. Even if he were to find a lawyer, the contract that all online gaming sites force players to acknowledge and agree to include a clause saying that the site (OnGame) has the final say in all disputes. I'm not sure how legal or actionable that clause is, but it has been in every agreement that I have seen on poker/gambling sites.
Since he copied some e-mails from FCP support I'm going to make sure that some issues are clear as relates to FCP.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
I wonder how it would work suing for "wages" because he was "out of work" for a month. I don't see how the courts could award him any because with gambling there is no sure thing of winning where as if I have a job and get paid and miss work because of it.
Personally, now that i'm dealing with someone colluding against me last night, and support on the site i play is looking into it, I think this guy got what he deserved.
he had a bad history, he never copied and pasted the replies he sent when the owner started mentioning his "bad history", i wouldnt doubt if this guy made a nice profit colluding prior to this, and thinks, just cuz he doesnt do it anymore, everything s "cool"
he had a bad history, he never copied and pasted the replies he sent when the owner started mentioning his "bad history", i wouldnt doubt if this guy made a nice profit colluding prior to this, and thinks, just cuz he doesnt do it anymore, everything s "cool"
Well you never really know what the other side of the story is.
I'm a small money player so it will never affect me but this may cause the bigger money players to think twice about playing at FCP, there are just too many other places to play to take a chance.
I hope you can share OnGames side of the story soon.
I'm a small money player so it will never affect me but this may cause the bigger money players to think twice about playing at FCP, there are just too many other places to play to take a chance.
I hope you can share OnGames side of the story soon.
*IF* the guy was really colluding then I am actually glad to see that OnGame is doing something to combat against it.
However, *IF* the guy is not colluding the scary thing here is that it appears there is nothing you can do about it if they freeze your account.
This is the problem with all companies these days. If you ever have a problem you can never reach anyone that has decision making privileges or the knowlege to help you out. There is always 3 or 4 layers of people that "answer the phone" and that is it. The people that can help you are hiding behind layers of decoys and this is done intentionally. A lot of the time the people answering the phone don't even have the contact information the people above them, so they couldn't help you out even if they wanted to. It's pathetic.
Have you ever tried to contact someone at revenue canada or student finance to settle a financial dispute? Ya, good luck with getting anyone on the phone to help you. I guess you could always go down to the head office right? nope, they don't have one... they only have a P.O. Box. This stuff has to stop IMO. Some govenment officials should really start passing some legislation to put a stop to junk like this.
cheers,
Rev
However, *IF* the guy is not colluding the scary thing here is that it appears there is nothing you can do about it if they freeze your account.
This is the problem with all companies these days. If you ever have a problem you can never reach anyone that has decision making privileges or the knowlege to help you out. There is always 3 or 4 layers of people that "answer the phone" and that is it. The people that can help you are hiding behind layers of decoys and this is done intentionally. A lot of the time the people answering the phone don't even have the contact information the people above them, so they couldn't help you out even if they wanted to. It's pathetic.
Have you ever tried to contact someone at revenue canada or student finance to settle a financial dispute? Ya, good luck with getting anyone on the phone to help you. I guess you could always go down to the head office right? nope, they don't have one... they only have a P.O. Box. This stuff has to stop IMO. Some govenment officials should really start passing some legislation to put a stop to junk like this.
cheers,
Rev
How does one collude in heads up poker?
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 8:46 AM) 
Personally, now that i'm dealing with someone colluding against me last night, and support on the site i play is looking into it, I think this guy got what he deserved.
he had a bad history, he never copied and pasted the replies he sent when the owner started mentioning his "bad history", i wouldnt doubt if this guy made a nice profit colluding prior to this, and thinks, just cuz he doesnt do it anymore, everything s "cool"
he had a bad history, he never copied and pasted the replies he sent when the owner started mentioning his "bad history", i wouldnt doubt if this guy made a nice profit colluding prior to this, and thinks, just cuz he doesnt do it anymore, everything s "cool"
I dont know Irishcurve personally but I can vouch for him being almost stricky a "hu guy".. dunno how much colluding there is in heads up ?
If they where talking about dumping chips I would be more suspicious...
The biggest problem is that they can just freeze an account for unspecified periodes of time and is still to produce any evidence at all..
Any interest in an OVER/UNDER bet as to how long FCP remains a part
of the ongame network??
I figure 18 months is about right, and personally, I'm hoping for the UNDER.
Ongame seems to be very -EV, for a multitude of reasons.
of the ongame network??
I figure 18 months is about right, and personally, I'm hoping for the UNDER.
Ongame seems to be very -EV, for a multitude of reasons.
QUOTE (FCP Info @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 8:21 AM)
Since he copied some e-mails from FCP support I'm going to make sure that some issues are clear as relates to FCP.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
Yes Bob.. I understood so much. I suspect he heard about the great support u guys (Fcp) offer..
QUOTE (weakdraw @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 9:54 AM)
I dont know Irishcurve personally but I can vouch for him being almost stricky a "hu guy".. dunno how much colluding there is in heads up ?
If they where talking about dumping chips I would be more suspicious...
The biggest problem is that they can just freeze an account for unspecified periodes of time and is still to produce any evidence at all..
If they where talking about dumping chips I would be more suspicious...
The biggest problem is that they can just freeze an account for unspecified periodes of time and is still to produce any evidence at all..
Bad history!!!!
so he plays HU now.. so what, how did he make his money?? he was obviously banned before for collusion.
I dont want people with past histories on my table. I say ban him from every site
QUOTE (FCP Info @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 8:21 AM)
Since he copied some e-mails from FCP support I'm going to make sure that some issues are clear as relates to FCP.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
Does this mean if we lost money to him that we will get it back? What happens to the money that he won if Ongame only gives him his deposit back? Just wondering, because I have played him and probably lost money to him.
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 8:58 AM)
Bad history!!!!
so he plays HU now.. so what, how did he make his money?? he was obviously banned before for collusion.
I dont want people with past histories on my table. I say ban him from every site
so he plays HU now.. so what, how did he make his money?? he was obviously banned before for collusion.
I dont want people with past histories on my table. I say ban him from every site
Some one with a 2+2 account ask him what kind of bad history ?
But it still dont changethe fact that Ongame should offer some proof of foul play in a reasonable time frame when they freeze an account
QUOTE (weakdraw @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 10:21 AM)
Some one with a 2+2 account ask him what kind of bad history ?
But it still dont changethe fact that Ongame should offer some proof of foul play in a reasonable time frame when they freeze an account
But it still dont changethe fact that Ongame should offer some proof of foul play in a reasonable time frame when they freeze an account
that was probably me, should be at least.
I just want to know why he posted some of his replies but not the ones to Adam, when adam asked him "can you give me your word that you have been co-opertaing since then etc.."
heh, dont know who to believe...
didnt realize ongame was in complete control and the skins were so powerless.
didnt realize ongame was in complete control and the skins were so powerless.
F*ck online poker. I'd only play to win a buy in to a bigger tourny. I'd never play for any real amounts of money. These offshore sites can do anything they want to you and there's nothing you can do about it. Online poker is -EV in a huge way. Not worth the risk to me. Online poker = RIGGED!!!
QUOTE (Stylin_Fish @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 12:37 PM)
I wonder how it would work suing for "wages" because he was "out of work" for a month. I don't see how the courts could award him any because with gambling there is no sure thing of winning where as if I have a job and get paid and miss work because of it.
easy enough, he would be forced to pay $1500 for a freeroll for the players on these sites, because if he is stupid enough to post what he has, then he inevitably would be a loser in poker.
QUOTE (bhaas @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 10:23 AM)
F*ck online poker. I'd only play to win a buy in to a bigger tourny. I'd never play for any real amounts of money. These offshore sites can do anything they want to you and there's nothing you can do about it. Online poker is -EV in a huge way. Not worth the risk to me. Online poker = RIGGED!!!
Online poker = RIGGED!!! = Losing Player
QUOTE (Stylin_Fish @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 8:37 AM)
I wonder how it would work suing for "wages" because he was "out of work" for a month. I don't see how the courts could award him any because with gambling there is no sure thing of winning where as if I have a job and get paid and miss work because of it.
He should have had Aflac Insurance
those guys on 2+2 are under the impression it happened on FCP...someone with a 2+2 account make a post letting them know it wasnt on FCP.
One must wonder why he is playing on such an obscure skin in the first place. This story sounds very very fishy to say the least. Sounds to me like someone who cheats or has cheated and is reaping the consequences now.
I personally am very happy the Ongame network does have a security check system in place. I had my account frozen recently because I live 6 months in Mexico and 6 months in Canada. They wanted to know why there was a discrepincy with my IP addresses. I provided the necessary information and my account was unblocked.
Was I angry ? Not at all. What if someone had hacked my info and had tryed to log in from a different IP? It may be a different story if my account had stayed locked though LOL.
The scary thing is though. We really dont have much recourse or power if we are screwed over. Only thing is post on forums etc... and as this guy is finding out then you become scrutinized. Shrug I could be mistaken completely and this dude has never cheated in his life.
This is another reason Governments should legalize online poker and REGULATE IT.
I personally am very happy the Ongame network does have a security check system in place. I had my account frozen recently because I live 6 months in Mexico and 6 months in Canada. They wanted to know why there was a discrepincy with my IP addresses. I provided the necessary information and my account was unblocked.
Was I angry ? Not at all. What if someone had hacked my info and had tryed to log in from a different IP? It may be a different story if my account had stayed locked though LOL.
The scary thing is though. We really dont have much recourse or power if we are screwed over. Only thing is post on forums etc... and as this guy is finding out then you become scrutinized. Shrug I could be mistaken completely and this dude has never cheated in his life.
This is another reason Governments should legalize online poker and REGULATE IT.
Here's another "scary story" posted by a different person in the 2+2 thread...
"i had a similar run in with poker room last and i'm still trying to get almost 70k from them
I cashed for approx 33k in one of their big weekend tourneys. Practicing great bankroll management I instantly jumped into 10/20 NL. After running insanely good (up to 70k) I decided to cash out because I knew I was in over my head and just running crazy good. Requested cashout to neteller, denied. They said it was too much and I had to request a check. Requested a check, came a month later, tried to deposit it and it bounced. Reissued another check which also bounced. Now we're about 3 months after I requested the cash out and all of a sudden I'm under suspicion for collusion (same thing with two names who I have never been at the same tables with because I have all my hand history saved from all the hands I played and their names aren't present in either). Months of emailing support it's gotten to the point where now they just ignore me instead of giving me canned replies. I've looked into legal actions but of the two people I tried neither wanted to take the case and I don't see why I should have to front legal fees to get the money I earned.
Cliffnotes: Won big tourney on Pokerroom, run it up to a lot with bad bankroll management, checks bounced, account closed, no money"
"i had a similar run in with poker room last and i'm still trying to get almost 70k from them
I cashed for approx 33k in one of their big weekend tourneys. Practicing great bankroll management I instantly jumped into 10/20 NL. After running insanely good (up to 70k) I decided to cash out because I knew I was in over my head and just running crazy good. Requested cashout to neteller, denied. They said it was too much and I had to request a check. Requested a check, came a month later, tried to deposit it and it bounced. Reissued another check which also bounced. Now we're about 3 months after I requested the cash out and all of a sudden I'm under suspicion for collusion (same thing with two names who I have never been at the same tables with because I have all my hand history saved from all the hands I played and their names aren't present in either). Months of emailing support it's gotten to the point where now they just ignore me instead of giving me canned replies. I've looked into legal actions but of the two people I tried neither wanted to take the case and I don't see why I should have to front legal fees to get the money I earned.
Cliffnotes: Won big tourney on Pokerroom, run it up to a lot with bad bankroll management, checks bounced, account closed, no money"
QUOTE (dsg1480 @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:57 AM)
Here's another "scary story" posted by a different person in the 2+2 thread...
"i had a similar run in with poker room last and i'm still trying to get almost 70k from them
I cashed for approx 33k in one of their big weekend tourneys. Practicing great bankroll management I instantly jumped into 10/20 NL. After running insanely good (up to 70k) I decided to cash out because I knew I was in over my head and just running crazy good. Requested cashout to neteller, denied. They said it was too much and I had to request a check. Requested a check, came a month later, tried to deposit it and it bounced. Reissued another check which also bounced. Now we're about 3 months after I requested the cash out and all of a sudden I'm under suspicion for collusion (same thing with two names who I have never been at the same tables with because I have all my hand history saved from all the hands I played and their names aren't present in either). Months of emailing support it's gotten to the point where now they just ignore me instead of giving me canned replies. I've looked into legal actions but of the two people I tried neither wanted to take the case and I don't see why I should have to front legal fees to get the money I earned.
Cliffnotes: Won big tourney on Pokerroom, run it up to a lot with bad bankroll management, checks bounced, account closed, no money"
"i had a similar run in with poker room last and i'm still trying to get almost 70k from them
I cashed for approx 33k in one of their big weekend tourneys. Practicing great bankroll management I instantly jumped into 10/20 NL. After running insanely good (up to 70k) I decided to cash out because I knew I was in over my head and just running crazy good. Requested cashout to neteller, denied. They said it was too much and I had to request a check. Requested a check, came a month later, tried to deposit it and it bounced. Reissued another check which also bounced. Now we're about 3 months after I requested the cash out and all of a sudden I'm under suspicion for collusion (same thing with two names who I have never been at the same tables with because I have all my hand history saved from all the hands I played and their names aren't present in either). Months of emailing support it's gotten to the point where now they just ignore me instead of giving me canned replies. I've looked into legal actions but of the two people I tried neither wanted to take the case and I don't see why I should have to front legal fees to get the money I earned.
Cliffnotes: Won big tourney on Pokerroom, run it up to a lot with bad bankroll management, checks bounced, account closed, no money"
or he went broke, but instead he is claiming they took all his money
QUOTE (Vatche @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 10:49 AM)
those guys on 2+2 are under the impression it happened on FCP...someone with a 2+2 account make a post letting them know it wasnt on FCP.
FCP = Ongame. Ongame = $hitty.
Therefore FCP (unfortunately) = $hitty.
QUOTE (TheBigB11 @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:40 AM)
Online poker = RIGGED!!! = Smart enough not to play online.
FYP
QUOTE (bhaas @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 12:02 PM)
FYP
i guess u could tell neverwin this
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 12:03 PM)
i guess u could tell neverwin this
All I'm saying is, that after reading numerous horror stories of online poker rooms screwing people over, peoples accounts getting hacked daily, etc. I'm not gonna risk it at this time.
I have come to my own conclusion that playing online is to risky for me personally. But if others like it and are successful or not that's fine with me. People are free to do whatever they want. I'm just not ready to take the online risk. That's all. And at this point in time I'll still say/think "Online Poker is RIGGED!!!"
QUOTE (bhaas @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:10 AM)
All I'm saying is, that after reading numerous horror stories of online poker rooms screwing people over, peoples accounts getting hacked daily, etc. I'm not gonna risk it at this time.
I have come to my own conclusion that playing online is to risky for me personally. But if others like it and are successful or not that's fine with me. People are free to do whatever they want. I'm just not ready to take the online risk. That's all. And at this point in time I'll still say/think "Online Poker is RIGGED!!!"
I have come to my own conclusion that playing online is to risky for me personally. But if others like it and are successful or not that's fine with me. People are free to do whatever they want. I'm just not ready to take the online risk. That's all. And at this point in time I'll still say/think "Online Poker is RIGGED!!!"
How many times are u gonna post the same thing ?? We get it! U dont trust online sites...
Others do (or have to) because they make a living that way!
So plz stfu or stick to the subject.. fkin spammer
QUOTE (dsg1480 @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 1:57 PM)
Here's another "scary story" posted by a different person in the 2+2 thread...
"i had a similar run in with poker room last and i'm still trying to get almost 70k from them
I cashed for approx 33k in one of their big weekend tourneys. Practicing great bankroll management I instantly jumped into 10/20 NL. After running insanely good (up to 70k) I decided to cash out because I knew I was in over my head and just running crazy good. Requested cashout to neteller, denied. They said it was too much and I had to request a check. Requested a check, came a month later, tried to deposit it and it bounced. Reissued another check which also bounced. Now we're about 3 months after I requested the cash out and all of a sudden I'm under suspicion for collusion (same thing with two names who I have never been at the same tables with because I have all my hand history saved from all the hands I played and their names aren't present in either). Months of emailing support it's gotten to the point where now they just ignore me instead of giving me canned replies. I've looked into legal actions but of the two people I tried neither wanted to take the case and I don't see why I should have to front legal fees to get the money I earned.
Cliffnotes: Won big tourney on Pokerroom, run it up to a lot with bad bankroll management, checks bounced, account closed, no money"
"i had a similar run in with poker room last and i'm still trying to get almost 70k from them
I cashed for approx 33k in one of their big weekend tourneys. Practicing great bankroll management I instantly jumped into 10/20 NL. After running insanely good (up to 70k) I decided to cash out because I knew I was in over my head and just running crazy good. Requested cashout to neteller, denied. They said it was too much and I had to request a check. Requested a check, came a month later, tried to deposit it and it bounced. Reissued another check which also bounced. Now we're about 3 months after I requested the cash out and all of a sudden I'm under suspicion for collusion (same thing with two names who I have never been at the same tables with because I have all my hand history saved from all the hands I played and their names aren't present in either). Months of emailing support it's gotten to the point where now they just ignore me instead of giving me canned replies. I've looked into legal actions but of the two people I tried neither wanted to take the case and I don't see why I should have to front legal fees to get the money I earned.
Cliffnotes: Won big tourney on Pokerroom, run it up to a lot with bad bankroll management, checks bounced, account closed, no money"
or he went broke, but instead he is claiming they took all his money
I wish I was as logical as you...
wow, these 2 stories are pretty scary...
QUOTE (bhaas @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:10 AM)
All I'm saying is, that after reading numerous horror stories of online poker rooms screwing people over, peoples accounts getting hacked daily, etc. I'm not gonna risk it at this time.
I have come to my own conclusion that playing online is to risky for me personally. But if others like it and are successful or not that's fine with me. People are free to do whatever they want. I'm just not ready to take the online risk. That's all. And at this point in time I'll still say/think "Online Poker is RIGGED!!!"
I have come to my own conclusion that playing online is to risky for me personally. But if others like it and are successful or not that's fine with me. People are free to do whatever they want. I'm just not ready to take the online risk. That's all. And at this point in time I'll still say/think "Online Poker is RIGGED!!!"
If you have never played online, how can you say it is rigged? I have cashed out over 50k with no problem besides the extra security check which was no big deal. Some people who lose money come up with stories to scare people. I have never met anyone who has been screwed by online poker sites. I have only read stories online. You can say "Online Poker = Risky" bit not "Online Poker = RIGGED.
I cashed a check from FCP friday without any trouble... granted it was a little over $100... has to be a good sign
QUOTE (zsta2k6 @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:33 AM)
I cashed a check from FCP friday without any trouble... granted it was a little over $100... has to be a good sign
Hey that will cover 40% of your entry into the FCP superstars. Good Job.
QUOTE (dsg1480 @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 12:26 PM)
or he went broke, but instead he is claiming they took all his money
I wish I was as logical as you...
I wish I was as logical as you...
lets see, I posted on 2+2 earlier, and i saw this guy post this after me. I read it, and for someone who lost 70k, he doesnt seem too upset by it.
I think this would be a "pretty big deal", if that really occured, if they had 2 cheques bounce and he wasnt seeking legal action for 70k he is a moron
P.s. Looked into, is other words for I'm a moron and am not telling the truth
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:36 AM)
lets see, I posted on 2+2 earlier, and i saw this guy post this after me. I read it, and for someone who lost 70k, he doesnt seem too upset by it.
I think this would be a "pretty big deal", if that really occured, if they had 2 cheques bounce and he wasnt seeking legal action for 70k he is a moron
P.s. Looked into, is other words for I'm a moron and am not telling the truth
I think this would be a "pretty big deal", if that really occured, if they had 2 cheques bounce and he wasnt seeking legal action for 70k he is a moron
P.s. Looked into, is other words for I'm a moron and am not telling the truth
If true, it does seem moronic to cash out such a large amount at once.
Considering he is at a new site.. Not that he shouldnt be allowed to
Hi Tom,
I have just heard back from them and unfortunately do not have entirely good news. They seem convinced that you have been colluding and adamantly stand by their accusations. They say the problem with their inability to produce the hand history is genuine and not an excuse. Personally, i have no idea what to believe but had gut feeling their story was originally fishy. As you'll see, I am forced to trust them and don't really see an incentive for them to try and cheat you.
This is the part from the 2+2 thread that was strange - how can Ongame not have the hand histories?
Am I reading this right?
I have just heard back from them and unfortunately do not have entirely good news. They seem convinced that you have been colluding and adamantly stand by their accusations. They say the problem with their inability to produce the hand history is genuine and not an excuse. Personally, i have no idea what to believe but had gut feeling their story was originally fishy. As you'll see, I am forced to trust them and don't really see an incentive for them to try and cheat you.
This is the part from the 2+2 thread that was strange - how can Ongame not have the hand histories?
Am I reading this right?
I would like to point out that I dropped 43BB this weekend right after clearing a bonus. It's almost like they had a "give us our money back" flag.
Obviously rigged.
(totally sw)
Ray
Obviously rigged.
(totally sw)
Ray
QUOTE (weakdraw @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 12:48 PM)
If true, it does seem moronic to cash out such a large amount at once.
Considering he is at a new site.. Not that he shouldnt be allowed to
Considering he is at a new site.. Not that he shouldnt be allowed to
ya, i mean, is it just me or would you not be willing to spend 69k, if it will get you your 70.
everyone knows the risks involved with online, but if this happend to me, i would have letters sent to every media related business out there
It doesn't matter if he colluded AT ALL.
What matters if that OnGame have provided absolutely no evidence that he colluded.
Without the evidence, he's innocent.
What matters if that OnGame have provided absolutely no evidence that he colluded.
Without the evidence, he's innocent.
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:53 AM)
ya, i mean, is it just me or would you not be willing to spend 69k, if it will get you your 70.
everyone knows the risks involved with online, but if this happend to me, i would have letters sent to every media related business out there
everyone knows the risks involved with online, but if this happend to me, i would have letters sent to every media related business out there
Yes.. If i had 70k "stuck" somewhere I would make a BIG deal about it
It would have been posted on all forums even remotely related to poker a long time ago..
Also.. Good to see that u are trying to get some answers out of irishcurve!
from 2+2 just posted
"It is very well known that Irish and some of his friends will play on each other's accounts (they will admit it themselves). Then the next day you will be playing with 3 of them in a 5-handed game and we are supposed to believe that these people who trust each other enough to have full access to accounts with 70k in them are going to play legit.
I have also heard rumblings before of Irish sitting with 2 accounts at the same table but that would have to fall under the "Gossip" category as I have no clue."
This ^^^^ is why i have trouble believing this guy that easily
"It is very well known that Irish and some of his friends will play on each other's accounts (they will admit it themselves). Then the next day you will be playing with 3 of them in a 5-handed game and we are supposed to believe that these people who trust each other enough to have full access to accounts with 70k in them are going to play legit.
I have also heard rumblings before of Irish sitting with 2 accounts at the same table but that would have to fall under the "Gossip" category as I have no clue."
This ^^^^ is why i have trouble believing this guy that easily
QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 12:57 PM)
from 2+2 just posted
"It is very well known that Irish and some of his friends will play on each other's accounts (they will admit it themselves). Then the next day you will be playing with 3 of them in a 5-handed game and we are supposed to believe that these people who trust each other enough to have full access to accounts with 70k in them are going to play legit.
I have also heard rumblings before of Irish sitting with 2 accounts at the same table but that would have to fall under the "Gossip" category as I have no clue."
This ^^^^ is why i have trouble believing this guy that easily
"It is very well known that Irish and some of his friends will play on each other's accounts (they will admit it themselves). Then the next day you will be playing with 3 of them in a 5-handed game and we are supposed to believe that these people who trust each other enough to have full access to accounts with 70k in them are going to play legit.
I have also heard rumblings before of Irish sitting with 2 accounts at the same table but that would have to fall under the "Gossip" category as I have no clue."
This ^^^^ is why i have trouble believing this guy that easily
A lot of people in the know think that Irishcurve is, eh, unethical.
I've often wondered--especially when all that Dreamclown stuff was going on, why the sites would knowingly let multiple people play the same account.
people cash out all your money and leave the on game network play on sites that aren't part of a crooked network with potential problems like ongame or prima. This kinda news actually makes me feel better that i got kicked off fcp and am now playing on pacific and absolute. Screw fcp screw your chat ban and screw your closed account
Don't let the door hit you in the a.........
QUOTE (l4anl @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 4:16 PM)
people cash out all your money and leave the on game network play on sites that aren't part of a crooked network with potential problems like ongame or prima. This kinda news actually makes me feel better that i got kicked off fcp and am now playing on pacific and absolute. Screw fcp screw your chat ban and screw your closed account
I vote u leave this forum too
QUOTE (FCP Info @ Monday, September 11th, 2006, 8:21 AM)
Since he copied some e-mails from FCP support I'm going to make sure that some issues are clear as relates to FCP.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
He opened an FCP account after his accounts at other On Game sites had been blocked.
FCP then blocked his account which had no money in it as On Game doesn't want him playing on the Network.
The issues involve his play at the other On Game site and not FCP.
I just want to assure everybody that we'll always treat our players fairly and make sure that the Network does as well in any sort of security situation.
BUT am i right saying the FCP just like other "skins" really has no say when it comes to a decision made from the "ongame" network ?
unless they dig into their own pockets and pay back!
I have no problem with freezing the account until the investigation is settled, but I would hope they actually have to have some evidence to conviscate the money.....otherwise they can randomly take anyone's money. The TOS agreements are pretty vague....they could be coming to take my first born soon for all I know.
It will be interesting to see if Irish does follow up posts. Maybe he has a real case, but the part he reported sounded kind of fishy. If he did cheat, they should have kept the deposits too. It's like a soap opera....can't wait to see how this unfolds.
It will be interesting to see if Irish does follow up posts. Maybe he has a real case, but the part he reported sounded kind of fishy. If he did cheat, they should have kept the deposits too. It's like a soap opera....can't wait to see how this unfolds.
Did you guys see that huge post from "PokerRoom.com" in the thread at 2p2? It sounds like they have control of their own OnGame skin...I wonder if FCP is like Pokes Poker or PokerRoom.
this is the post wilheldp is talking about...
Bob, maybe you should make an account on 2+2 representing the FCP site and make a similar post so these people don't get the wrong idea...it would be sad if FCP lost current or potentiol customers because a lying cheat is mad they took away his stolen money.
Bob, maybe you should make an account on 2+2 representing the FCP site and make a similar post so these people don't get the wrong idea...it would be sad if FCP lost current or potentiol customers because a lying cheat is mad they took away his stolen money.
QUOTE
Hi 2+2 Community,
We will off course not discuss specific cases of collusion or player security openly in a poker forum. Especially not since we are not really involved. But we will make the following statement.
This player's account was closed on PokerRoom.com on May 4 of this year. No funds were confiscated. Based on our investigations we have no intention of requesting the Ongame Network to re-open the account. Hereby ends our involvement in this case.
Please do not make the mistake of confusing PokerRoom.com with any other operator within the Ongame Network nor the network itself.
We have our own experts, our own organization and also our own refund policies which covers PokerRoom.com players alone. We adhere to the rules set by the Network but we have incorporated, within our services, several routines in place to ensure that players who get caught up in matters of security are treated with extra care.
As the player in question has been playing from an operator other than PokerRoom.com, these routines do not apply and any assistance we do our best to provide to our players does not come into play here.
Sometimes we do conduct investigations into matters of security that turn out to have been carried out unjustly. These incidents are unfortunate, but unavoidable if we are to ensure the best level of protection against collusion, chip dumping and other illegal player actions that we can.
We always strive to make sure these investigations are carried out as swiftly and painlessly as possible. But some cases are very,very complex. We assist the network in their work as well as conduct our own inquiries.
By playing on PokerRoom.com you give us the right to suspend your account at ANY time should our systems detect anything that could be considered suspicious.
We certainly understand that having ones account frozen for a period of time is far from enjoyable, but we do believe that in the interest of every player who plays on our site it is acceptable that we sometimes carry out what may considered routine investigations that, fortunately, come up blank.
We are disheartened to hear that a former customer of ours feels unjustly treated by another operator but there is really little we can do to help since he has not experienced these problems while playing on PokerRoom.com.
We will however, do what we can to make sure the operator and the Ongame Network re-examines the case and hopefully clears some of the confusion up.
With that said, we would like to ask player rsigley to contact us and provide us with his or hers PokerRoom.com nickname. Should there be any merit to your claims (and you have experienced this on PokerRoom.com) the handling of your case is totally unacceptable. We have not heard of it before and will investigate as soon as we are provided the necessary info.
Unfortunately some of our players experienced a wave of bouncing checks a while back as we changed our banking procedures. Terribly embarrassing for us and we would like to take the opportunity to apologize to anyone who experienced this.
With that said, we now end our statement.
C u at the tables.
Sincerely,
External Forum Support
PokerRoom.com
We will off course not discuss specific cases of collusion or player security openly in a poker forum. Especially not since we are not really involved. But we will make the following statement.
This player's account was closed on PokerRoom.com on May 4 of this year. No funds were confiscated. Based on our investigations we have no intention of requesting the Ongame Network to re-open the account. Hereby ends our involvement in this case.
Please do not make the mistake of confusing PokerRoom.com with any other operator within the Ongame Network nor the network itself.
We have our own experts, our own organization and also our own refund policies which covers PokerRoom.com players alone. We adhere to the rules set by the Network but we have incorporated, within our services, several routines in place to ensure that players who get caught up in matters of security are treated with extra care.
As the player in question has been playing from an operator other than PokerRoom.com, these routines do not apply and any assistance we do our best to provide to our players does not come into play here.
Sometimes we do conduct investigations into matters of security that turn out to have been carried out unjustly. These incidents are unfortunate, but unavoidable if we are to ensure the best level of protection against collusion, chip dumping and other illegal player actions that we can.
We always strive to make sure these investigations are carried out as swiftly and painlessly as possible. But some cases are very,very complex. We assist the network in their work as well as conduct our own inquiries.
By playing on PokerRoom.com you give us the right to suspend your account at ANY time should our systems detect anything that could be considered suspicious.
We certainly understand that having ones account frozen for a period of time is far from enjoyable, but we do believe that in the interest of every player who plays on our site it is acceptable that we sometimes carry out what may considered routine investigations that, fortunately, come up blank.
We are disheartened to hear that a former customer of ours feels unjustly treated by another operator but there is really little we can do to help since he has not experienced these problems while playing on PokerRoom.com.
We will however, do what we can to make sure the operator and the Ongame Network re-examines the case and hopefully clears some of the confusion up.
With that said, we would like to ask player rsigley to contact us and provide us with his or hers PokerRoom.com nickname. Should there be any merit to your claims (and you have experienced this on PokerRoom.com) the handling of your case is totally unacceptable. We have not heard of it before and will investigate as soon as we are provided the necessary info.
Unfortunately some of our players experienced a wave of bouncing checks a while back as we changed our banking procedures. Terribly embarrassing for us and we would like to take the opportunity to apologize to anyone who experienced this.
With that said, we now end our statement.
C u at the tables.
Sincerely,
External Forum Support
PokerRoom.com
rsigly dude is a tard, i love how pokerroom comes on and asks for his info cuz they havent even heard of his claims.
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