Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with [Ks] [8s]
2 folds, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.
Flop: [Qs] [Kc] [9s] (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button folds, SB caps, Hero calls, CO calls.
Turn: [Qh] (10.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.
River: [Qd] (13.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO folds.
Results:
Final pot: 15.5BB
I thought this would make for an interesting and debatable limit hold'em hand from the bb.
Why and how would you play this hand on every street?
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I tihnk the whole hand is perfect.
Preflop is obvious.
Flop is close between bet-3betting and check/raising and even capping if you get a chance, but I like check/raising better because people are more likely to cbet than they are to craise.
Turn is correct too, there's no way you can fold and raising is pretty bad.
River is correct too, there's no way you can fold (you tie K9, you beat JT, you beat 99, etc. -- I'm talking about hands that SB might check/raise/cap with on th eflop) and raising accomplishes nothing with the third guy behind you (there's no better hand he can possibly fold if you raise).
What I would be completely unsure about is if the CO raises the river behind us and the SB three-bets (if SB just calls I think it's an easy call) -- I think that's pretty close between folding and cold-calling, and I would lean towards folding, but I'd be sick to my stomach if my hand would have tied for the pot (though not that much because then my share of the pot would only be about 5ish BB, so my odds weren't that great if all I'm going for is a tie).
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Preflop is obvious.
Flop is close between bet-3betting and check/raising and even capping if you get a chance, but I like check/raising better because people are more likely to cbet than they are to craise.
Turn is correct too, there's no way you can fold and raising is pretty bad.
River is correct too, there's no way you can fold (you tie K9, you beat JT, you beat 99, etc. -- I'm talking about hands that SB might check/raise/cap with on th eflop) and raising accomplishes nothing with the third guy behind you (there's no better hand he can possibly fold if you raise).
What I would be completely unsure about is if the CO raises the river behind us and the SB three-bets (if SB just calls I think it's an easy call) -- I think that's pretty close between folding and cold-calling, and I would lean towards folding, but I'd be sick to my stomach if my hand would have tied for the pot (though not that much because then my share of the pot would only be about 5ish BB, so my odds weren't that great if all I'm going for is a tie).
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QUOTE (akishore @ Saturday, September 9th, 2006, 10:16 AM) 
I tihnk the whole hand is perfect.
Preflop is obvious.
Flop is close between bet-3betting and check/raising and even capping if you get a chance, but I like check/raising better because people are more likely to cbet than they are to craise.
Turn is correct too, there's no way you can fold and raising is pretty bad.
River is correct too, there's no way you can fold (you tie K9, you beat JT, you beat 99, etc. -- I'm talking about hands that SB might check/raise/cap with on th eflop) and raising accomplishes nothing with the third guy behind you (there's no better hand he can possibly fold if you raise).
What I would be completely unsure about is if the CO raises the river behind us and the SB three-bets (if SB just calls I think it's an easy call) -- I think that's pretty close between folding and cold-calling, and I would lean towards folding, but I'd be sick to my stomach if my hand would have tied for the pot (though not that much because then my share of the pot would only be about 5ish BB, so my odds weren't that great if all I'm going for is a tie).
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Preflop is obvious.
Flop is close between bet-3betting and check/raising and even capping if you get a chance, but I like check/raising better because people are more likely to cbet than they are to craise.
Turn is correct too, there's no way you can fold and raising is pretty bad.
River is correct too, there's no way you can fold (you tie K9, you beat JT, you beat 99, etc. -- I'm talking about hands that SB might check/raise/cap with on th eflop) and raising accomplishes nothing with the third guy behind you (there's no better hand he can possibly fold if you raise).
What I would be completely unsure about is if the CO raises the river behind us and the SB three-bets (if SB just calls I think it's an easy call) -- I think that's pretty close between folding and cold-calling, and I would lean towards folding, but I'd be sick to my stomach if my hand would have tied for the pot (though not that much because then my share of the pot would only be about 5ish BB, so my odds weren't that great if all I'm going for is a tie).
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holy ****, ur back.
Preflop and flop play is perfectly fine. As played, the river is correct as well. My only issue is with the turn.
Given the play of the SB, I think you are frequently drawing dead here. But even when he does have J10 and you are seemingly drawing live, what is the CO calling with on the flop? Nut flush draw? Maybe he is the one who had two pair and just filled up?
Obviously I love this hand on the flop, but that was the absolute worst turn card. Unless I have reason to believe both the SB and the CO are hyper aggressive or just donkeys, then I let this hand go on the turn. All you really have is TP no kicker and a draw to the second best hand.
On the turn, the SB usually has J10 or a full house while the CO usually has the nut flush draw or a full house. If this is not the case, someone tell me what these guys are playing that allows us to call. Fold turn.
Given the play of the SB, I think you are frequently drawing dead here. But even when he does have J10 and you are seemingly drawing live, what is the CO calling with on the flop? Nut flush draw? Maybe he is the one who had two pair and just filled up?
Obviously I love this hand on the flop, but that was the absolute worst turn card. Unless I have reason to believe both the SB and the CO are hyper aggressive or just donkeys, then I let this hand go on the turn. All you really have is TP no kicker and a draw to the second best hand.
On the turn, the SB usually has J10 or a full house while the CO usually has the nut flush draw or a full house. If this is not the case, someone tell me what these guys are playing that allows us to call. Fold turn.
QUOTE (Head_Trauma @ Sunday, September 10th, 2006, 12:16 AM)
Fold turn.
not when u are getting 11-1 on drawing to a flush or a FH.
I'd raise the river, you have a friggin full house
On the turn, all I was thinking about was that I was still drawing to 2nd nut flush and didn't even hesitate to call. I had a feeling that my top pair was already no good but went fishing anyway to see if I could hit the flush
when the 3rd queen hit on the river, I thought I had at least backdoored a hand that would split the pot. the only likely hands I am losing to now are KQ, Q9, and KK... and all of those likely hands aren't even likely to be out. I'm now beating 99 and TJ, and tie with any other king out there.
And I just dont think theres any way I can fold this hand here, If i'm beat by the cooler then i'm just going to have to pay to see it.
ok, here it is
the sb ended up having KQ.
when the 3rd queen hit on the river, I thought I had at least backdoored a hand that would split the pot. the only likely hands I am losing to now are KQ, Q9, and KK... and all of those likely hands aren't even likely to be out. I'm now beating 99 and TJ, and tie with any other king out there.
And I just dont think theres any way I can fold this hand here, If i'm beat by the cooler then i'm just going to have to pay to see it.
ok, here it is
the sb ended up having KQ.
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