I am currently averaging over 2BB/100 hands at the 2-4 limit level, 4 tables and I am getting ready to jump to 3-6. Can't I still expect to make nearly 2BB per 100 hands? And what about the 5-10 level? 1.5BB??

2BB/100 is crushing.

First, what's the sample size for 2/4? The fact that you are 4 tabling is impressive as people's rate generally declines while multitabling.

The honest answer is that no one can tell you what to expect at 3/6. I don't think expecting to make the same winrate is reasonable when hopping up stakes, at least in the short run. However, I'd be very surprised if you became a losing 3/6 player given your 2/4 stats (assuming you have an ample sample size 25k+ bare minimum).

Projecting your win-rate for 2 stakes higher isn't worth the time to think about since it's completely a different game. If you can beat 3/6 for 1.5+ BB/100 then I think you'll do well in 5/10.

But again, you're just going to have to see what happens.

Well thank you for your advice/info. Right now my sample isn't too big, it is nearing 17K hands. But I also played in the casinos before I had DSL and I was crushing those low limit games for around 4-6BB per hour. So I am doing well so far. Anyone else have any info? Yours was very helpful, thanks alot.

Your winrate wont be precise enough over 15k or so hands to notice the difference to any definitive degree.


I did better at 3/6 than 2/4 on party, but slightly worse at 3/6 than 2/4 on absolute. I had about 20k hands at each on party, and about 40k hands at each on absolute.

2.7 and 2.4 respectively for party
1.8 and 2.2 respectively for absolute

That is the good news I like to here sir. But over the course of how many hands? 25K+? And what limits are you playing now, if you don't mind me asking.

Abba, you're a monster.

2/4 - 5/10.

Occasionaly shot at 10/20.

- Abbacadabra.

Good to know, sounds like me! I haven't played the 10-20 online yet, But I have played 8-16 and the 9-18 at the Commerce.

ALSO, would it be more prof. to play 3 tables and pay a little more attention/take better notes? Or play the 4 with a little less concentration? I always wondered that. I am fairly good at multi-tasking, by the way.

only when you are getting bored with 4 IMO

It's actually almost all at 2/4 and 3/6.

I have 4k hands total at 5/10 and less than 100 hands at 10/20.


The quote, "I had about 20k hands at each on party, and about 40k hands at each on absolute." means 20k hands at both 2/4 and 3/6 on party, and about 40k hands at 2/4 and 3/6 on absolute.

So about 120k hands total.



I play 4 tables because i like being able to browse the internet, post on message boards and chat while i play. Any less than 4 is boring.

QFT.

So then I take you are doing VERY well because I am headed down the same path, and just running quick numbers you can make a ton of money playing cash games at the 3-6 level. Infact, making only 1.6BB/100 at the 3-6 level, playing 4 tables each seeing 75 hands an hour would be 300 hands an hour. So...

1.6 * 6= $9.6per 100 hands. So 9.6 * 3 =$28.80/hr. Working full time would amount to...$59,904 annually, or $4992 monthly. And that is at 3-6 level. Nice huh? I'm gonna be rich! =) (And no, I'm not going to be staying at the
3-6 level all my life, and yes I will be playing MTT's. I will have a 5K monthly BR, why not!?

$26/hour isnt really accurate.

I clear about $25/hour in bonus+rakeback.
..and my winrate is slightly higher than 1.6.

So it's closer to $60/hour.
Im up about $20,000 this summer.

Well geeze, maybe I need to start plaing with Rake Back again. I will be playing 2,000+ a day at 2-4 level?

And what about the bonuses? From FT? Or other sites?

I play on absolute. The bonus is virtually unlimited, and it clears concurrently with rakeback and player points. It equals slightly more than 100% rakeback. Plus i get free tournament entries (one 100k guaranteed a month worth $200 and a few smaller ones worth $20 a piece). You cant get rakeback there if you have an existing pay account, but otherwise, feel free to sign up through my signature link.

It's not ideal for 2/4. For whatever reason, 1/2 and 3/6 are both far more active than 2/4.


WPEX is another good option with slightly more active tables i think. You wont need any special sign up ****. It's 100% rakeback paid weekly. Slightly worse software... and it has a 3 table max.

WPEX has more tables than ABSOLUTE?!

For real? There's like 800 players on there at peak times...

They have more 2/4FR.

And more low stakes hold em tables in general.

Absolute has more people online, but apparently theyre not playing small stakes limit.

Ah, ok.

I just checked WPEX for my $100 NL games... ONE TABLE! LOL.

I almost put money on there.

How is Absolute for NL? You play any NL over there? I play $100 NL for now, but will be moving to $200 NL in a month or two, probably.

EDIT - Full ring, btw.

Right now there are 2 $100FR tables, and about 12 $100SH tables going.

Roughly the same for $200FR.

Yuck.

I need to find a better NL site with loose tables and rakeback... is that an oxymoron?

2-4 is in my Humble Opinon Generally Tighter Than 3-6 & 5-10

But ... I Think you Will Destroy The Average 3-6 game

I have come to the realization that rakeback is KICK ***. Im going to be plaing 2000+ hands a day so rakeback will def. help me out on the tough months..LIKE THIS ONE!


I guess party isn't the place to be playing full time then. Full Tilt rakeback will give me $1800 a month, or thereabouts. How would you rate FT? And what about WPEX? Vs FT

http://bonuswhores.com

Pretty much details every site on the net in terms of softness/availability/etc of games. Pretty much the only site you need for selecting your next poker site.

- Zach

Fulltilt bonus is deducted from rakeback. And they dont have enough reloads to keep it going for long.

It works out to less than the other sites i mentioned.

I'm pretty sure Absolute is the benchmark in terms of RB/Bonus combination, while WPEX is a close second, due to the lack of players.

On a benchmark determined by rakeback and bonuses, why would the lack of players matter?

But I went to Absolute and it was a joke, lol. They had 1 table going 9 handed last night. And earlier today they had 2 6 handed tables, but no full ring games going. They DO have that $750 bonus, but how freaking long do you think it would take me if they only had 1, maybe 2 tables going max?

Does anyone know exactly how the bonus works on Absolute? As in how long? How many hands?

Im trying out Full Tilt with my 27% rakeback bonus considering the amount of hands I play, I used the calculator and I should be getting back ATLEAST $950.

It's a typical 10x bonus. It is released in incriments of $10.

The definition of a raked hand is where .50cents or more is taken.

Thanks for telling me the def. of a raked hand, lol. I was asking if anyone knew how LONG it would take to get the full bonus? Because I believe they have some ghey points system.

It's released in incriments of $10. If you know the definition of a raked hand, you can easily figure out the rate that it clears at.

The lump sum doesnt matter. You should probably be reloading and stacking up the bonuses on a weekly basis anyways. They release between $500 and $1000 a week in reloads.

Geeze are you kidding me? Wow, that is nice. And you can do it with the 28% rakeback right? But thing is they usually only have 1 or 2 tables going, but with all those reloads it might be worth it. So where do you get all those bonuses? That bonuswhores.com website? Any other good places? I'm playing for a living now so any extra $ right now helps! Thanks alot!

I had thought WPEX was the site with the lowest rake. Do the reload bonuses make up for the extra 72%? I'm guessing it depends on the stakes.

According to Abbaddabba, he makes slightly more than 100% rakeback.

When you get to elite status it edges to slightly more than 100% when earning the player points at 3x the normal pace and getting the free tournament entries.

And this is at the WPEX right? Hmm...how does that work though ,because it is a 0% rakeback place right? Do they take it up front and then at the end of the month give it back? Or what, how does that all work out? And do you think they will continue this for a while or is it more of a promo to get players to sign up? Thanks in advance.

He's speaking of absolute poker, which has 28% rakeback and hundreds of dollars of reload bonuses every week.


However, you're right that at WPEX they still rake the pots and give it all back to you each week to show how much you've saved. This feature is permanent (for now), because they think the traffic of their poker site will spill over on to their sportsbetting and casino sites.

Do you have like zero reading comprehension ability?

Elite is at Absolute.

WPEX is 100% rakeback. Literally. You get it every week, Monday I think. It's permanent.

Do some fucking research man. It's not hard.

Chill man. Relax, Im going through some stress right now, I just took a 200BB swing, and I don't need your crying about me asking a question. If you took the time to read my "worthless" quesion, then don't waste more of your life by responding. There, now don't respond to this "worthless" post and save yourself 45 seconds of your life. Have a nice day.

Did you know that there are a lot of people, mostly in general, but mostly respected that consider you one of the most annoying newbs around?

Just thought you might want to know.

- Zach

OH MY GOD! The "respected" guys on FCP think Im annoying! And I must be a newb because I dont have 5,000 posts? Hmm...That makes sense! I don't really care what they think about me. I'm here to learn and help others learn. If they think I'm annoying, oh well, what can I do? I can guarantee I can contribute quite a bunch to FCP. Just because I am not well versed when it comes to online bonuses/sites doesn't mean I'm a newb.

I know how to play the game well, and I know what I am doing. I was simply looking for the best possible deal, considering I play for a living. I am not used to online poker because I live 3 minutes from a great card room and never had DSL until recently. I am learning, be patient with me. Don't talk to me about annoying. The hands you post up on this forum asking if you should call an all in on the river with AA with double paired board is annoying.

And I figured FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE would tell me a helluva lot more than going to some stupid website. I got my answers, everything is ok now. Buddy.

You portray yourself as an arrogant prick, and nobody enjoys it.

- Zach

Oh come on, that's not true at all. I don't think I am the greatest player, like most players do, by a long shot. But I do think I have a lot to bring to the table as far as knowledge of the game goes. I think of myself as a good player that is always wanting to know more. I am not an arrogrant prick, as you so nicely put it. I'm here to learn, and help other FCP'ers learn. So Zach, would you get off my back man?

You have been the prick all this time, and now I'm the prick? I've been polite this whole time man, and you know it. Maybe not to others who I won't metion, but I've been a nice guy to you. So get over yourself and realize you're wrong.