Anything less is just show down poker or as my father calls it "never fold'em hold'em". You cant raise anyone out of a pot and they will fish to the river.

You forgot to continue on about how awesome that is because of how easy it is to win money when your opponents refuse to fold their crap.

Sometimes, and sometimes people get so lucky its mind boggeling.

I have never played Limit poker. My style is very analytical. I am VERY disciplined. My ability to read is generally quite good. My memory is outstanding. I am more comfortable playing Tight than Loose, but can change up as required.

Should I consider playing in some limit games, if only to round out my game?

WHat about other games like Stud & Omaha - or chould I continue to refine my TxHE NL game as sort of a specialist?

So if you cant afford to play higher to medium limits (8/16 or higher) I dont suggest playing it. Anything less is just show down poker or as my father calls it "never fold'em hold'em". You cant raise anyone out of a pot and they will fish to the river. However its still a fun game. Good Luck

The replies in this thread, with the exception of Swift Psycho, have been mind-numbingly stupid.

I'm not going to get into why the more people call, the more you win.

Search it.

- Zach

The replies in this thread, with the exception of Swift Psycho, have been mind-numbingly stupid.

I'm not going to get into why the more people call, the more you win.

Search it.

- Zach

Yours was one of the few replies I was hoping to read.

Well first of all let me bow down to all of your poker greatness.

You obviously havent had people draw out on you as much as I have. Maybe Im unlucky or maybe you are very lucky. But I loose so much monkey being drawn out on that its not funny. Forgive me for not having as good as luck as you.

Jack asses

Well first of all let me bow down to all of your poker greatness.

You obviously havent had people draw out on you as much as I have. Maybe Im unlucky or maybe you are very lucky. But I loose so much monkey being drawn out on that its not funny. Forgive me for not having as good as luck as you.

Jack asses

you might have selective memory
do you track all your sessions/hands?
have you played 50,000 or more hands of Limit?

there is a lot of luck involved in the short run and long run for that matter

nothing wrong with being frustrated and not liking Limit; but you should not advise others against it unless you have a solid mathematical understanding.

just say: I"m not good at Limit and don't understand why others play..

Thank you for not being a jack ***. I get so tired of people and their superior attitudes. If Im wrong Im fine with that just don’t talk down to me.

My bank roll has taken a substantial hit over the past few months. And it just seems to me that I take a bunch of runner runner beats. I know poker has its ups and downs and I’m currently going through a down. Until a couple months I had 4 consecutive winning months.

My math is ok, but I need to learn more. I can admit this.

Betting 1 BB into a guy drawing to 2 outs, and he calls:

The EV of your bet is (+1 SB)(43/45) + (-1 SB)(2/45) = 41/45 or 0.9111 SB.

My math is crude, and does not take into account implied odds, etc, but the point stands that, over the long run, each time you bet your stronger hands, they win, even if they seem to lose a lot.

(Upon further analysis, I blow at math, and I know this takes nothing into account properly.. Actuary, get in here...)

I have never played Limit poker. My style is very analytical. I am VERY disciplined. My ability to read is generally quite good. My memory is outstanding. I am more comfortable playing Tight than Loose, but can change up as required.

Should I consider playing in some limit games, if only to round out my game?

WHat about other games like Stud & Omaha - or chould I continue to refine my TxHE NL game as sort of a specialist?

From Limit to No-Limit

Until a few years ago, players interested in learning poker would start out by playing in fixed-limit games. Most casinos and card rooms only offered Limit Hold 'em or Limit Stud, so players had to get used to the dynamics of structured betting. But now, many players are jumping directly into No-Limit. There's nothing wrong with this approach, but lately, I've seen a lot of players at the Limit tables who are applying big-bet principles to fixed-limit games. They're making big mistakes that reflect their inexperience with limit betting.

In No-Limit, the biggest mistake you can make is putting money in a pot when drawing dead or very slim. Usually, by the turn or river, you'll face large bets that threaten your entire stack, so calling on a second-best hand is a huge error. In Limit Hold 'em, however, the biggest mistake you can make is folding the best hand on the river. By the river in Limit Hold 'em, you're often getting odds of 9, 10, or 11 to 1 to make a call. Given these odds, it's often proper to call on the river with some very modest holdings, even if there's only a small chance that you can pick off a bluff and win the pot at showdown.

For example, say you're playing in a short-handed Limit Hold 'em game and you raise on the button with As-7s. A very aggressive opponent in the big blind calls. The flop comes Jd-8d-7c, giving you bottom pair. The big blind checks, you bet, and are check-raised. On this board, there are a variety of straight draws and flush draws. An aggressive opponent could be raising on any number of hands, so you'd need to call this raise or even consider three-betting.

If the turn brings a scary card, say the Td, you can fold, as there are very few hands you can now beat. However, if the turn is a blank, like the 2c, you're probably going to be in a position where you'd need to call your opponent down. Third pair isn't much, but it will win at showdown enough of the time to make the call worthwhile.

In No-Limit, you'd probably want to fold if you were check-raised while holding bottom pair. It would cost too much to figure out whether or not you were ahead. But in Limit, your total liability in the hand is only two more big bets, making the call worthwhile.

The other major error I see from No-Limit players who move to Limit is that they fail to play enough hands from the big blind. In a recent tip, Jennifer Harman discussed big blind play in Limit Hold 'em in some detail. She suggested playing a lot of hands from the big blind, including any two cards that can make a straight. Jennifer's an expert player, and you might be better off being a little more selective than she is. But still, you should be playing a lot more hands from the blinds in Limit than you would in No-Limit.

Think of it in terms of odds. In a Limit game, you'll be getting 3.5 to 1 to call a single raise from the big blind (two small bets from the raiser, your big blind, and the small blind). Plus, in many games, you can count on the pre-flop raiser to follow up with a bet on the flop, whether he hit or not. That gives you odds of 4.5 to 1. If the raiser is an aggressive player in late position, you can't give him credit for much of hand to start with, so, even a hand like 5-6 off-suit is often good enough to play from the big blind.

In No-Limit, you probably want to fold the same hand and wait for a better spot. But this is the type of adaptation you'll need to make if you want to master all forms of poker, including Limit and No-Limit. If you're moving from No-Limit poker to Limit, keep in mind that you're going to be calling opponents down more often and that you're going to want to play many more hands from the big blind.


Richard Brodie

how does quiting for the night/session lower your variance?

assuming you aren't playing tired. (I fixed your typo for ya )

Playing less will decrease your hourly variance.

how does quiting for the night/session lower your variance?

assuming you aren't palying tired.

when most people start losing they start playing worse. we aint all robots.

Think about when you're in a fight with your significant other

don't gay people use that term?
or Politically correct pansies ?

I completely dismissed everything else you wrote, upon seeing that.

That is a totally ignorant and unuseful thing to say. I said significant other instead of saying: boyfriend/girfriend/husband/wife/etc. The point is a relationship of some sort which could even be a friend, coworker, aunt, cousin, etc. Does that suffice for you?

That is a totally ignorant and unuseful thing to say