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DrZebra
6-handed 1/2NL
I have $350, villain has $600.

Villain and I had battled a little early on, but he began staying away from me a little. The other 4 people had much shorter stacks and it seemed that the 2 of us were the only ones who knew how to play. At one point he berated me for calling a large riverbet with 4th pair and taking the pot from him, but like I said...he has since tightened up. Since then, I don't think I'd seen any of his hands (we were beating up on the shortstacks.)

I have A icon_suit_diamond.gif A icon_suit_heart.gif
Villain is BB.
UTG raises to 7
1 fold.
I raise to 18 in CO.
Button and SB fold.
BB calls.
UTG folds.

flop (44) 2 icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif 4 icon_suit_spade.gif
Check, I bet 30, he calls.

Turn (104) A icon_suit_club.gif
He leads 75, I....
DrZebra
My bad: this is not a SH NL section...can a moderator please move this post?
thanks
sixhands
QUOTE (DrZebra @ Thursday, August 24th, 2006, 2:05 PM) *
My bad: this is not a SH NL section...can a moderator please move this post?
thanks


Without knowing how the villain has been playing it is tough to narrow down his range of hands.

But looking at this my instinct is telling me that he has AK with the K being the K of clubs.

He made a bet of $75 into a $99 (I could be wrong on the pot amount) so it would indicate strength.

I can't put him on a straight but the possiblity is that he raised pre-flop with KQc. He may have tried to make a play UTG with 56 (but I doubt it)

The hand I am putting him on is AK (with the Kc)

You still have outs, but only if he is not holding the 56c

If it was me I would call the $75 and then re-evaluate the river.

If the board pairs then great, if not I would be dumping.

can you PM me the results, if you don't mind.
Willenation
I fold this, but I'm also really just starting to play cash NL seriously. Still, you're not beating anything here unless he made a terrible flop call and picked up a draw or he was planning to take it away on a scare card. Either way, there's better spots, and you don't have the odds to chase the FH.
reverbse
if he knows how to play heīs probably not calling reraises liberally.
iīd say he either has AK, flopped a set or has something like tens, jacks, queens and wants to find out where he stands.
if he actually had a flush, i canīt see any reason for him to bet the scariest card that could have come.
so, iīd raise that turn to about 220.

edit: didnīt look at stack sizes close enough first time. prolly doesnīt make much difference, but a turn raise of 180-200 leaves you with three digits behind which doesnīt look as weird.
gooch
QUOTE (reverbse @ Monday, August 28th, 2006, 4:53 PM) *
if he knows how to play heīs probably not calling reraises liberally.
iīd say he either has AK, flopped a set or has something like tens, jacks, queens and wants to find out where he stands.
if he actually had a flush, i canīt see any reason for him to bet the scariest card that could have come.
so, iīd raise that turn to about 220.



If he has AK, with the ace on the turn he is only really logically behind one hand (AA) does this bet not define if the Hero has the AA?
Scott3705
I don't think you can ever fold here. Implied odds are 6.5/1 at this point. So you can just call and push any paired board and probably easily fold the river if you get a bad card. and do some real evaluate the player's capabilites to bluff on a brick (You do have position). I'm not overly concerned w/ charging a draw here because the board's so weird looking and you could be very far behind at this point.
reverbse
QUOTE (gooch @ Wednesday, August 30th, 2006, 1:31 PM) *
If he has AK, with the ace on the turn he is only really logically behind one hand (AA) does this bet not define if the Hero has the AA?


it points towards AA, but we could also have the flush (assuming hero doesnīt only reraise with monsters).

i wouldnīt want to just call the tuurn for several reasons:

- if the river comes a club we either lose or donīt get one more chip out of hands we have beat.

- occasionally he might fold 5s.

- hmm, my third point is somewhat moot. at first i thought we might get more action from strong hands on the turn than on the river (non-club river that is). but getting it all-in on the river is prolly not a problem.

i still like raising because of point one though.
gooch
QUOTE (reverbse @ Wednesday, August 30th, 2006, 4:14 PM) *
it points towards AA, but we could also have the flush (assuming hero doesnīt only reraise with monsters).

i wouldnīt want to just call the tuurn for several reasons:

- if the river comes a club we either lose or donīt get one more chip out of hands we have beat.

- occasionally he might fold 5s.

- hmm, my third point is somewhat moot. at first i thought we might get more action from strong hands on the turn than on the river (non-club river that is). but getting it all-in on the river is prolly not a problem.

i still like raising because of point one though.



Well the way he played it he is repping the clubs, call, wait for the third flush card, bet, hope for a fold from the better whom I don't think he can put on a re raise with 56 or A5, trouble is, here has the worst possible, best hand here I think. It's a great bluff card for the villan for sure.

either a call and re evaluate, or a re raise is in order, I'm torn between the two, not sure which of either will get you the money if you have the best hand
DrawingDeadInDM
Call, check/fold a non-pairing river.
Lavitz
QUOTE (DrawingDeadInDM @ Wednesday, August 30th, 2006, 5:06 PM) *
Call, check/fold a non-pairing river.


This line seems weak. Villian is in BB and saw raise and reraise pre-flop and called it cold. He probably has small PP and sees obvious strength of Hero and figures to stack him if he hits set. I think 22,33,44, and 55 are all probable hands. Can we really expect villian to cold call something like K icon_suit_club.gif Q icon_suit_club.gif , or J icon_suit_club.gif 10 icon_suit_club.gif to call this bet pre-flop being OOP? That would be a poor play and one most people wouldn't make. With small PP it's either hit or miss and if he hits he looks to make a lot. Looks like a slowplayed flop and on the turn he figures ace hit villian and another club will be bad so he bet it out with these things in mind.

Only hand I am worried about is 55 because that is played in same manner. Call with overpair/OESD on flop and call pre-flop with implied odds. Lead out with semi-vulnerable hand after hitting.
I am curious as to what he had?
CoranMoran
QUOTE
Call, check/fold a non-pairing river


Don't do this

--CM
DonkDonkDOnk
reraise all in , he does not have the flush and does not have the straight FOR SURE
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