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wsox8
HAND 1: do you call? there were about 100-150 players left.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t10381)
MP3 (t16469)
CO (t30842)
Button (t84250)
Hero (t49557)
BB (t56672)
UTG (t35850)
UTG+1 (t76190)
MP1 (t144081)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A. UTG calls t3000, 6 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to t56672, UTG folds, Hero ???

Final Pot: t62372

Results in white below:
No showdown. BB wins t62372.



HAND 2: stars worrying me (nothing important to see here)
http://www.pokerhand.org/?467449


HAND 3
With 52 left and 50 making it to round 2 do you call? I was around 46/52 before the hand.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?467403


I ended up making it barely.. but some questions I had were with about 200 or so left. I kept getting hands like A10, KJs, and KQ around UTG+1 and MP. My stack was around average. I wasn't sure if I should raise/call/fold or look for better spots.

I would have posted all three hands here but I got this message:

"THE FOLLOWING ERROR(S) WERE FOUND
Sorry, but you have posted more images than you are allowed to"
copernicus
First hand fold. Youre dominated or on the wrong end of a coin flip.

Oh.thats the only hand smile.gif.

On your more general question, I wouldnt play those hands out of position with an average stack in a free satellite. Raising standards are going to be pretty low from some decent size stacks, and you are probably wasting chips. Wait till youre in better position or have stronger hands. the exception of course is if you have a lot of middle stacks at the table and can steal freely.

Oh there are other hands...

Hand 2 no brainer.

Hand 3 depends on whether there a few micro stacks out there ready to bust out. Micro here to me would mean an M of 2 or less. If not Id rather take my chances with that KK.
wsox8
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t1722)
Hero (t13664)
UTG+1 (t305)
MP1 (t16380)
MP2 (t9255)
MP3 (t9690)
CO (t1775)
Button (t3230)
SB (t3671)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with AJ
Hero raises to t800, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t16380, 4 folds, SB calls t3571 (All-In), 1 fold,

Here is another one from earlier on. MP1 had been going all in randomly. I had JJ the hand before and had to fold. What do you do here?

(eventually I caught him with aces against KQ and he was gone)



HAND 2
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t40231)
UTG (t48319)
UTG+1 (t30423)
MP1 (t67500)
Hero (t36445)
MP3 (t46862)
CO (t19300)
Button (t37267)
SB (t69731)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, J.
UTG calls t2000, 2 folds, Hero calls t2000, 1 fold, CO calls t2000, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t9800) 7, 9, 8 (5 players)
SB bets t4000, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t4000, CO folds.

Turn: (t17800) 2 (2 players)
SB bets t4000, Hero calls t4000.

River: (t25800) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t4000, Do I make a bluff at it here?

Final Pot: t29800

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins t29800.


Was it a bad call preflop? What do I do on flop and turn? and if I call on both what do I do on river?
timwakefield
QUOTE (wsox8 @ Tuesday, August 22nd, 2006, 10:21 PM) *
HAND 2
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t40231)
UTG (t48319)
UTG+1 (t30423)
MP1 (t67500)
Hero (t36445)
MP3 (t46862)
CO (t19300)
Button (t37267)
SB (t69731)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, J.
UTG calls t2000, 2 folds, Hero calls t2000, 1 fold, CO calls t2000, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t9800) 7, 9, 8 (5 players)
SB bets t4000, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t4000, CO folds.

Turn: (t17800) 2 (2 players)
SB bets t4000, Hero calls t4000.

River: (t25800) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t4000, Do I make a bluff at it here?

Final Pot: t29800

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins t29800.


Was it a bad call preflop? What do I do on flop and turn? and if I call on both what do I do on river?



Both AJ hands that you posted look like pretty clear folds to me.

This QJ hand - call preflop is fine with me, but why do you draw to the inside straight??? Really only 3 cards look good to you (then 3 non-club 10s). A jack might make your opponent the straight, and a pair of queens might not be good.

I would probably fold on the flop, but a call is okay if you have the intention of bluffing when you miss. I'm a maniac, so I would probably push the turn. IMO SB leading out the turn with a weak 4k looks to me like he is drawing and wants to do it cheaply. He's hoping you just call (or fold). If he had something like 2 pair he would try to price you out of your draw. Of course he may also be suckering you with the made straight or something, but push all-in and he should fold his draw. If he has a made hand it's GG you if you don't hit the miracle 10....which is why folding the flop is probably the best/safest play, especially in a satellite.

The reason I would bluff the turn and not the river (if you choose to bluff it) is that a push on the river may well look like a desperation play to take down the pot after you missed your draw. I think you have more fold equity on the turn.
Gallo
QUOTE (wsox8 @ Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 1:21 AM) *
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t1722)
Hero (t13664)
UTG+1 (t305)
MP1 (t16380)
MP2 (t9255)
MP3 (t9690)
CO (t1775)
Button (t3230)
SB (t3671)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with AJ
Hero raises to t800, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t16380, 4 folds, SB calls t3571 (All-In), 1 fold,

Here is another one from earlier on. MP1 had been going all in randomly. I had JJ the hand before and had to fold. What do you do here?

(eventually I caught him with aces against KQ and he was gone)
HAND 2
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t40231)
UTG (t48319)
UTG+1 (t30423)
MP1 (t67500)
Hero (t36445)
MP3 (t46862)
CO (t19300)
Button (t37267)
SB (t69731)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, J.
UTG calls t2000, 2 folds, Hero calls t2000, 1 fold, CO calls t2000, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t9800) 7, 9, 8 (5 players)
SB bets t4000, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t4000, CO folds.

Turn: (t17800) 2 (2 players)
SB bets t4000, Hero calls t4000.

River: (t25800) 7 (2 players)
SB bets t4000, Do I make a bluff at it here?

Final Pot: t29800

Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins t29800.


Was it a bad call preflop? What do I do on flop and turn? and if I call on both what do I do on river?

With this hand, I think you should've probably made a move on the turn instead of just calling, you have to either raise or fold.

Well, since you're at the river it might no be bad to at least pull off the post oak bluff here and just reraise him another 4000 ( I think that's what the post oak bluff is anyway). Some players will lay it down, others will call you off, but I'd give it a shot.
copernicus
On the new AJ hand, fold. If youre going to have loose EP playing standards (AJo is borderline loose admittedly), you need to be able to release them when they are challenged.

On the QJ hand, I would fold preflop. That flop is scary when a bet comes from a SB that just limped into the pot. Its looking like sets, two pair or made straights, or possibly a 9 with a good kicker or draw to go with it.

The inside straight draw may be your only out here and I would fold again. The turn has him only betting 4k which to me says either monster or weakish hand. The board hasnt gotten any more threatening and a made straight may be happy to milk you 4k at a time. You dont even have the odds to call if a Q or J is good. fold once again.

The river doesnt look like good bluffing material to me either. The only hand that can really fit well is another 7. Are you calling preflop and getting dragged along with A7? T7? 76?

I would think about your bluff for a while and conclude that you are what you are..a missed draw trying to buy the pot and call.
Royal_Tour
I only looked at the 1st hand,

basically you can assume BB is making a play here after no raise, and you might be correct, but with only an assumption its an Auto Fold.
Gallo
I'd like to edit my first answer.
I thought you were like in the SB or BB here and villain made minimum raise. I see that you limped in with QJ, this actually changes my whole train of thought here. You shouldn't be limping with QJ at this stage and the blinds as high as they are. Your M is at about 12 before the limp, so at the next level your M is going to be right at when you should start pushing preflop. Yeah, you should be raising or folding preflop right now.

But seeing that you limped, I don't mind the call on the flop, but fold after the turn, you're done with the hand and there is no need to even try to bluff at the river.

My train of thought changes only because villain was SB and completed. Any bet that you put out there on the river right now would most definitely get called unless he was on a draw as well.

But, yeah, fold QJ preflop, don't limp becuase you're chip stack is not that strong.
wsox8
here are the results from the hand where I ended up folding JJ

Hero folds.



Results in white below:
SB has Qs Jd (one pair, fives).
MP1 has Jc Ac (one pair, fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins t21051.
copernicus
QUOTE (wsox8 @ Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 1:58 PM) *
here are the results from the hand where I ended up folding JJ

Hero folds.
Results in white below:
SB has Qs Jd (one pair, fives).
MP1 has Jc Ac (one pair, fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins t21051.


Which hand is that?
wsox8
QUOTE (copernicus @ Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 1:08 PM) *
Which hand is that?

I just threw this in there "Here is another one from earlier on. MP1 had been going all in randomly. I had JJ the hand before and had to fold. What do you do here?

(eventually I caught him with aces against KQ and he was gone)"

but here's the history:


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t1722)
Hero (t13664)
UTG+1 (t305)
MP1 (t16380)
MP2 (t9255)
MP3 (t9690)
CO (t1775)
Button (t3230)
SB (t3671)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises to t800, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t16380, 4 folds, SB calls t3571 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero folds.

Flop: (t21051) 5, 6, 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t21051) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t21051) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t21051
Main Pot: t8342 (t8342), between MP1 and SB. > Pot won by MP1 (t8342).
Pot 2: t12709 (t12709), returned to MP1.

Results in white below:
SB has Qs Jd (one pair, fives).
MP1 has Jc Ac (one pair, fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins t21051.
copernicus
its certainly read dependent on the big stack, but I would find it hard to fold here. hes got a broad range of hands he might want to isolate with including underpairs to your jacks, overpairs and AK. The pot odds and the nice stack you have if you win are awfully tempting.

You seem to have had some success in playing a lot of small pots in this tourney..if its the same table, then giving credit for AA, KK, QQ, AK and not wanting to go out that way cant be faulted either.
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