PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Bet The Pot)

Hero ($254.75)
Button ($270.05)
123shank(17/2/1-400hands))/ ($195)
BB ($159.05)
UTG ($356.65)
CHOCOTITO(38/10/1.5-31))/ ($63.70)
MP1 ($96.85)
MP2 ($205.60)
MP3 ($199)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qs], [Qd].
UTG calls $2,(CHOCOTITO)/ calls $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $11, 1 fold, (123shank)/ calls $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $9, (CHOCOTITO)/ calls $9.

Flop: ($46) [3h], [4c], [9c] (4 players)
123shank checks, UTG checks, CHOCOTITO checks, Hero bets $20, 123shank calls $20, UTG folds, CHOCOTITO calls $20.

Turn: ($106) [Td] (3 players)
123shank checks, CHOCOTITO bets $32.7 (All-In), Hero raises to $180, 123shank folds.

River: ($318.70) [6h] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $318.70


EDIT: Their names are their actual names on stars. I figure when I post, the villians Im in with Ill just have the converter show their real stars name, then maybe someone by some chance on this forum would know something about that player and be like, wtf u donk, why did u do that against him

Bet a little more on the flop. 30-35 sounds good. The overraise on the turn could get you in trouble. Raise to 85, and that should be enough. You dont want to give your money to set/2pair.

I like my line on the flop, you dont always have to raise 3/4 to psb. 20 is plenty with this hand and these stakes and my position.

As far as just raising to 80, i thought about this. I posted this hand b/c the turn situation, where I have someone left to act after I act upon the all in bet. I thought about just calling but then theres ez odds to the flush draw for shank. Also, if I make it 80 and shank moves in for another 80 as thats about what he has left, am i committed or ez lay down... I always have trouble making laydowns that are miniraises,even if its for a big amount

board texture would most certainly dictate a larger bet.
1. obviously a fair amount of draws.
2. It's a board that a mid PP is going to find comfort with on the flop and possibly be less comfortable on the turn regardless of whether an ace or face pops.

I'd certainly like to know your reason for betting less than half pot tho.

As for the turn, i'd rather bet $80 since i'm never folding here on the turn. Hopefully we may be able to string him a long a little. But usually you're not going to string a worse hand along here so it doesn't make that much of a difference. You're flop play is the most interesting here and would become infinitely more interesting if the ten was a

betting big on flop i have better hands and huge draws only playing with me.

Although, my optimal bet from my perspective would be 25 here. I dont mind worse hands calling, and if something scary comes, I know my opponents and I have position in this hand.

No need to end all with 35 or more and build a huge pot .

that's a pretty good flop for 88 77 1010. They play w/ you on the flop and probably fold the turn if you bet again.

Also, when you mention huge draws, do you think betting less is going to become more passive if you keep the pot small since they have a harder time committing a lot of chips here?

Thats a good point, but I think it applies more when they have position on me. U are basically getting at, if i bet less when against a huge draw, they will still push it to a big pot b/c they see weakness and also b/c they stand well to build a big pot on teh flop with all their equity.

However, like i started saying, it applies more when they have position. A lot of people slow down when ooop, so even against a big draw i could keep a small pot when they dont have position, and have the option to keep on firing however much i determine on the turn depending on what i think they are playing.

Actually I was getting at it the other way... I think.
If you bet more on the flop, it makes it easier for a big draw OOP to play cause he can just push the flop since the pot's so big at this point. If you bet less, he'll be forced to overbet if he wants to C/R push or to just slow down and passively draw at his hand. This is if he plays draws effectively. If he's solid, but passive oop with draws, I think he calls the flop regardless of amount for implied odds and folds the turn UI regardless of amount.

Scott's already covered a lot of territory here. But, I'll add my two cents. If the board wasn't draw heavy I could see the smaller bet, although I generally never like to bet less than half the pot. But, you've got flush and straight draws out there.

Overall, isn't the idea to get regular draws (*just* a flush or straight draw, not both) to pay more than they should to draw on you. With a $20 bet, the first player gets a little over 3:1 direct odds (which is generally enough given implied odds) and the 2nd player is getting over 4:1 direct odds (which is a no brainer call on the draw). You certainly don't want two drawing players in there with you.

Yes, if one of them has a monster draw, you're likely to get raised, but that's just poker, and you have to make a decision at that point.

You also got to understand AKs, etc, are getting decent odds to draw out on you. The only reason to keep pots small is it allows you to get away from them easier. This tactic is more useful in tournments, but in cash games, you try to get alot in when you have the best of it.

No.

Thats not the only reason to keep pots small.

Read how DB advises playing QQ postflop in SSI or II.



EDIT: You are exactly right in your last sentence in your post; in a cash game, u try to get alot in when u have the best of it. On a brick turn im gonna have much more the best of it with a better hand and position. Pushing a big pot on the flop is not something Im going to try and do in this spot. Im gonna drag worse hands along, and make big drawing hands pay more when i have that spot to pick on the turn.

This is where I wanted some more input. What do you plan on doing on a a draw completing turn? How often are you folding or calling off inappropriately? How often do you think it turns into an action killer against a PP?