I have a shade over 400, Hijack has 5 stacks of redbirds and a few green guys and is playing very straight forward, very TAG. Surprisingly, my image has been very TAGgy, so far.

I've shown down AA on a three way all in preflop, Jacks full in a decent pot between me and the TAG(he folded the turn, but, I showed him my boat to try and keep him off my back), and one other set that got all in on the turn; so three, very strong hands.

1/2 NL, 100 min/max.
Hero; 400
Hijack(Villain);covers us and then some.

Hero has Td4d,

UTG blind raises to 10(He's drunk..), folds to Hijack who calls, Hero bets 30, all fold, UTG folds, Hijack calls.

I'm putting him on a very tight range of hands. AKs, TT, JJ, QQ. He'd re-raise KK or AA, he'd fold AQ and down. He's good enough to fold an overpair postflop as he folded KK face up when I flopped my set of jacks, and turned my boat. OH, and I'm not excited at all about this call.

Pot; 75ish - rake
Flop; 8 7 6

Villain bets 45, hero announces, "Hmm..I think you're strong, so, I'm warning ya, you're gonna be pissed if I hit.." ..and calls.

Pot; 160ish
Turn; 6

Villain checks, hero bets 125, Villain contemplates for 4 minutes before some ****** starts inquiring about a clock, Villain calls.

Pot; 410ish
River; 3

Villain checks, Hero pushes for last 210 or so..


Hate it? Dumb? "Only hand that's gonna call has ya beat.."? Just check behind, you did all you could?

I raise flop. Put pressure on him here. Then push turn. Pushing river with alots of draws missing, can get you curious lookups, as its a strange play. Now if you had a str8 or fh, then I think thats a good line.

His play seems awfully like a flopped set here doesn't it? If he really used up that much time on you to induce a bluff, I give him an Oscar. If he's straight forward, I think you just walked into a big trap.

btw, you have a dbl gutshot.

Yessir, though, I don't make it a habit to count the 5's in that situation--in most circumstances, as an out. 8765 board doesn't always bode well for the 4, ya know? In this hand, it was a clean out, though.



He's very straightforward, but, I designed my bets, and even said what I said, to look as if I was already there(set or straight) or was trying to get value from an overpair--which is why I didn't put a massive bet in on the turn.

I wanted to appear as though I was wanting to get my entire stack into that pot by the river. Did it work, or no?

Is he a thinking player here, enough to realize what your betting indicates?

He seemed, eh, 'learned'. He noticed bet sizes/changes in bet sizes, commented on things like implied odds, '70/30 favorite preflop', and not in the college-kid-who-just-watched-the-WSOP-type-way.

He's an older gentleman who's been playing for many, many years.

My best explanation would be that, he plays like, a '2+2er'.

so weak tight? lol

I still think we have to define his hand on the flop a little more. Big difference between AKnodraw and JJ. IMO, once he calls your turn bet, you gotta shutdown. The river seems like a spew because hes not folding often, getting near 3:1 on his money.

Hmmmmm.



I don't think the turn call from the villain shows extreme strength, but either way I think he (should've) decided to call any river that wasn't an A, 9 or 4 when he called on the turn.

Thinking as the villain, I mean, I dunno, I'm calling with 1010/ JJ b/c I don't think the 3 helped; the 6 was a bit nonsensical too, as I don't know why that would've woken you up on the turn. I think 10/10 or 9's make a lot of sense as well because we're holding cards you may need.

You either completely wiffed or made your hand on the flop. That's the decision to make for him, really. You certainly put him on the spot.


"Only hand that's gonna call" is no good here b/c you dont' want a call.

Heh, the bolded part made me laugh, obv.

I think you're dead on when you say, 'He's got to decide if I made my hand on the flop..'

I think for a turn bet/river push to work, I need to raise the flop. As deep as our stacks were, I don't think I had a stack deep enough once he committed to a 'reasonably' blanked turn.


I need to make a play on the flop, and lead a turn hard, for this play to be more effective, agreed?

Yes, but i like him having 99-1010 so much here that I think you need to be prepared to have 3 big bullets to fire when you miss each time. He ain't gittin' from that board until he knows that 9 hasn't come.

You really think he would've cold-called a blind raise with JJ/QQ?

EDIT: I'm more tricky-tag than LAG like you...but my nemesis at the tables are these tight-passive guys.

I love being this guy. Ppl never learn not to bluff me. I call down Q HIGH.

I don't know why I still don't like this after the discussion. this flop is likely to be right in this guy's wheel house based on the preflop action. I know what you mean by the 2+2er mentality and I have run some bluffs against live players I thought matched the type. This flop just makes me believe he's going to have a significant piece of this very often. Plus, you reraised preflop and it doesn't seem like many people know you're capable of doing it w/ any 2. so in a 2+2er's mind... you're not hitting a str8 here, you're likely overvaluing an overpair, and I think he has better than one pair here a lot.

maybe 87s

i dont know what kinda hands he folds on the river 210/620, meh...he might fold, might call..probably call.

i think he'd have yo uput you on a set (boat) (or quads) to fold the river cause you are checking behind on this river with overpairs.

if i'm him and I call, i'd say you either have jack squat, or the stone nuts (id say 66/88 here). and with that price he's getting, i think he calls with 87s or overpair...unless he got caught up the hand and made a bad fold of JJ/QQ

- Jordan

I don't like the comment on the flop. Even if he doesn't necessarily believe you're telling the truth, it plants the seed in his mind that you might have trash there. Also, when people make comments like that they tend to be true way more often than you'd think, and of he's a solid live player, he knows this.

Preflop, if you're going to take this down against a straddle and a limper, you really need to make this at least $40. I don't know where you get the idea he'd fold a hand like AQ or 77 against that raise, but I think you're making way too many assumptions about your opponent.

I think you're best line (other than folding PF, even when I'm dicking around live, I usually want my cards to be semi-connected and these aren't) is to raise to $40 PF. Then if he leads for $50 or so, make a solid flop raise that looks like you're committing to the hand even if you're not necessarily doing so, and that allows you to check behind on the turn if he calls and you miss. Raising to something like $135 would be good.

I like this a lot. Classic SS of getting a man to commit to play for all his chips w/o actually committing all of yours.

Because it was a pretty bad play..?



I think Iggy's line is much better.

I was curious as to whether or not there was anyway I could've saved this hand--it's pretty apparent there was not. Stacks weren't deep enough, no over card, thinking opponent, I need to have the tightest of tight table images to make this play truly work, I think.

Thanks for the input.

So he heroed up and called with...99?