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dunkitish
I was playing in a cash game with a 25 cent ante. I'm up to around 80 dollars after staring with 27. I'm in late position and look down at pocket fours, I raise to a dollar (my standard raise at the table to over protect my hands too many people were seeing the flops cheaply) and have two callers. The flop comes A-10-6. The first player to act bets all-in for about 5.25 (which forces the second person all-in for 4.75). I know one or both have an ace, but I am getting 4:1 on my money (win a 20 dollar pot to put in 5 dollars). What should I have done. I will post the outcome after some response.
PimpRock
4:1 is not good pot odds when your drawing to 2 outs with 2 to come... your approxiately a 10/1 dog so fold it real quick.
No_Neck
only two outs in the deck, gotta fold.
Zach6668
Limp preflop.
trystero
After the flop you're a 9-1 underdog here assuming at least one opponent has an A. So fold.

A situation where I could see you calling is if you were HU, had deep stacks, and knew your opponent couldn't get away from his A. Then you're drawing for the 4 because of implied odds.
fckthis
Fold. When beat, pot odds should COMPENSATE. That means, theres enough money, that when overtime, you will draw out to a profit.
tallytownFSU
QUOTE (fckthis @ Monday, August 14th, 2006, 6:37 AM) *
Fold. When beat, pot odds should COMPENSATE. That means, theres enough money, that when overtime, you will draw out to a profit.


And to quote Mike Caro from his Poker Seminars and from Super System 2.

"You can call cheap allins when the pot odds aren't in your favor if the total amount invested in this hand is less than 10% of your stack."

also

"It takes a much stronger hand to overcall when the odds are smaller in your favor that you have the best hand."
dunkitish
I folded face up and somebody said I'm shocked you didn't call, and the turn and river went 4 4, and I would have been up 100 bucks. Somebody said my pot odds were too good to throw it away, and my responce was I knew I was beat. It was less than 10% of my stack, about 1/15th of my chips, but o well, I was still the big winner on the day.
krup24
Limp preflop, fold to the all ins
mjd
QUOTE (dunkitish @ Monday, August 14th, 2006, 8:24 AM) *
I folded face up and somebody said I'm shocked you didn't call, and the turn and river went 4 4, and I would have been up 100 bucks. Somebody said my pot odds were too good to throw it away, and my responce was I knew I was beat. It was less than 10% of my stack, about 1/15th of my chips, but o well, I was still the big winner on the day.



Well, clearly this is an all-in. Don't listen to the other noobs.
DonkSlayer
Painful question. Painful.



I think you should raise more than $1 if you have a .25c ante. Did you mean .25 blind? If you meant ante/no blinds, and you're 10-handed, $2.50 is in the pot before someone opens....so opening for a buck gives everyone insta 3.5:1. Tasty odds for about anything soooted.
David_Nicoson
jjgoldy5
The thing with low pairs is that your hand is likely good if you spike a set. So you should let people into the pot rather than protecting it, that way if you do hit a set, someone is more likely to have a hand worthy of paying you off.
aadams_22
fold...it's a no brainer with three over cards on the board...it is too likely you are beat
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