Villian: 71.3/ 39.6 / 2.22 227 hands


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Bet The Pot)

UTG ($359.70)
UTG+1 ($147)
MP1 ($265.30)
Hero ($276.15)
CO ($200)
Button ($147)
SB ($252.30)
BB ($168.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [8d], [6d]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $10, CO (poster) calls $8, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $8.

Flop: ($35) [Ah], [Qd], [7d] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $22, CO folds, MP1 calls $22.

Turn: ($79) [5d] (2 players)
MP1 bets $233.3 (All-In)


These stats it seems like a no brainer, but is it? I see no way to fold in this spot, but i've been wrong many times before. Is there anything to look at in this hand in deciding whether to call besides his extremely laggy stacks. I guess my question is, is it possible to lay this hand down against this opponnent.

Very easy call.

If you happen to be behind, which isn't often, you have 2 outs, and if he has the naked Ad, then he has 2 less outs.

Also, I limp PF here.

Actually, I think you have to be even more careful against this type of player. He could have darn near anything. Now, given how high his PFR is, he's probably raising any two suited cards, so you're probably a bit better off in this situation.

Had you seen him show down a hand in a situation like this before?

I guess, overall (while I may be leaving some easy money on the table), I'm not a big fan of calling 3x pot bluffs. Yes, you have a good hand, but it's not anything resembling the nuts. This guy could have easily limped with K2 diamonds. Overall, you need to be right at least 60% of the time in this situation. Do you feel your good here that often? If so, go for it.

Oh yeah, and I agree with zach6668, I limp with this pre-flop the majority of the time.

Yeah man, right on. I agree with the limp. I got in this mode of always raising getting my pfr up to like 20's or more. It was a silly time, but its good to overextend yourselve sometimes to more aggressive, more passive, more tight, more loose, more calls, more raises. You do some crazy things and every now and then u pick up a consistent play that never woulda been in your range. Granted, some of these experiments result in a 10 buy in losing streak, but the new tricks learned and the consequential ride back up is always the best.

Anyway, long story short, I kinda like folding here, but i wasn't sure if that was results, he did have a higher flush. Theres nothing more I hate then results oriented thinking, but thankfully thats what this forum is about, giving a hand and not the result and getting great replies when you really can just save that extra 10 seconds of your life and say screw this dude.

I appreciate the comments and im sure ill have many more hands to post.

Are you kidding? I live here. Lol.

I really find it strange that the villain would overbet like that with a made flush, but then again, that seems to be a growing trend among the donks.

I still call.

If this is a winning player, the reason he is, is because he makes this move with the nuts and air. If you have no idea to whether or not he's a good LAG, I call here. Sometimes you'll be shown the nuts, othertimes, hes got a good draw and of course air sometimes.

Yeah. Everyone plays NL now like Stu Ungar and Doyle did back in 1980. I'm sick of it. LOL.

Alot of donks online nowadays overbet pots to make it seem like their bluffing. That's why I'm alot more hesitant to call these huge bets when scare cards hit. I'll fold and get my money in when im 4 to 1 against the next guy.

Good call Zach.

Where on earth did you pull this number from? I'm pretty sure it's more like 45%.

This sounds closer to being correct...


..I don't hate calling, I don't hate folding..Naked Ad is a possibility, so is a larger flush, so is a set, so is top two pair.

I lean towards calling, because unless he has 9d5d, I'm not completely dead. I really think you tend to see a lot of LAGs semi-bluff(?) this with a set or two pair.

Even if you're behind, you're still drawing live to 2 outs.

Against a LAG with those stats, u just have to go broke on these type hands. If he's playing well, he's betting this a lot w/o a made flush. But throw that all out the window if he tends to do it w/ large made hands.

My bad. Must have been tired and took the wrong side of the equation. It was a 57/43 situation and I flubbed which side he was on. In any event, I stand by initial assertion of not calling 3x pot bluffs here. You've got to have a "special" type of villain here to be bluffing his whole stack here enough to make this profitable, particularly in light of the relatively recent trend of doing this as a non-bluff bluff (a bit of 2nd level thinking from villain).

Does anyone else notice this phenomen? Where people will wait for a 3 or 4 flush to get crazy with their set/two pair? I see it quite a bit live.

Flops two diamonds, guy checks, other guy bets, guy 1 calls. Turn is another diamond, guy 1 bets, guy 2 raises, and guy 1 pushes his set and is flabberghasted to be losing to a flush?

Or is that just an Iowa thing?

SIllly Iowans

We never got to meet up in Des Moines man, u weren't playing live while i was living up in Ames. Now im rolling down in STL, which makes me miss prairie meadows b/c the casino I frequent here has the bad beat thing but not for the nl tables. Last december I got the table share bad beat for 2300 at prairie.

Anyway, it sounds like you are having some good sessions there and GL. I still know some people up there and miiiight visit sometime, and Im also gonna post more on this forum, b/c obviously through my posts you'll be able to play better.

Oh, also brnngleaves is one of my roommates now, I dont know if u remember him from these forums, but we sent u a message that one time he drove up to des moines to play at prairie but you couldn't go.

But I agree with your point that people like to push a non flush on a flushy board. Even online, I just had this huuuuge hand, but in all fairness villian had me pegged as a donk, as many players on stars do, which makes me happy. I flop nut flush draw, checks to me, i bet 10, one call, and then villian mini raise 15 more, i call, oop guy calls. Turn flush, they check to me, I bet 75 into a 112 or so, donk oop guy is in, then the villian pushes his whole stack to cover; board doesn't pair and my flush holds against villian set, donk over in the early position was playing a 94 making two pair on turn.


Long story short, GL at the tables in des moines and see ya around the forums more.

I've noticed this.

I've never played NL live, but I can imagine the mindset. I've seen this in the LHE I've played live.

They think they have to protect then. Donks are funny.