Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

SB ($398.30)
BB ($409.80)
UTG ($372.20)
Hero ($1507.30)
Button ($321.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A , A . SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $16, 1 fold, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($58) 3 , 9 , 9 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $32, SB raises to $64, UTG folds, Hero calls $32.

Turn: ($186) J (2 players)
SB calls $316.30 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $502.30

This hand went down as one of my unorthodox lay downs of AA. I had little read, and was basically working off instincts on the flop/turn, specifically turn.

Hand ranges here are obviously wide. I know pairs like TT/99/88/77 might might play it this way, as well as QQ.

I'll add more later as to why I folded after some responses.

- Jordan

I don't like folding the turn if you are gonna call the flop.

If he's bluffing, he's going to continue on the turn a lot.

I don't know how sophisticated the players are at your level, but an overbet like this isn't usually a 9 at my level.

Albeit, I'm new to NL. I just don't like calling the flop, only to fold the turn.

If you think we are ahead on the flop, then we are more than likely ahead on the turn, and should call then.

If you think we are behind on the flop, then we should fold to the raise, since we aren't getting enough odds to draw to 2 outs.

Am I making sense?

Yes, I know all that flop play. Point is, if I call the flop, and he's a good player, he knows I most likely have a hand like I did, an overpair, and lacked the discipline to fold my overpair (if I put him on something that beat me).

Thus, if I just call in position, and he slows down on the turn, then I've learned more about his hand.

I'm not really calling the flop bet to hit a 2 outer.

- Jordan

Ok, well lets do this a different way then.

Based on his turn bet, what do you put his range at?

Does he think you'll fold an overpair to his bet?

We're getting roughly 5-3 to call this bet, so we'd need to win this hand in the end, including us sucking out, or him sucking out, 3/8 times, or more precisely, 38.6% of the time (using the actual bet sizes) to break even.

Do we?

That's the thing about this hand. His range here of what I'm beating is greater than what I'm losing to. I don't like making these kinds of folds here, but when he lead with the overbet I went into I guess, third level thinking on the hand.

For some reason, I gave him credit for picking up on the fact that I had a monster hand, while he had one stronger than that, and he didn't think I could fold my overpair, and would call his all in thinking he was in fact bluffing.

Cause most guys will play this turn differently with trips. Betting weaker, maybe even checking again, but usually leading for something, other than an all in.

I didn't think realistically, JJ/QQ/KK were his hands, cause I think those re-raise PF, especially QQ/KK, and would raise more on the flop to protect.

I think his min raise on the flop could be 22/33/44/55/66/77/88/99/TT

I'm obviously ahead of most of those, so again, when he overbets all in, he might be thinking he is protecting from my AK/AQ. However, I went with an instinct I guess I've picked up on while playing, that being that he read me as very strong, and wanted to sell that he was bluffing with the all in.

That's essentially why I folded this hand...

I have another hand I played against opponent..i'll post it up.

- Jordan

I think given the info you provided, that I'm calling here.

Naturally. I'd usually do to.

This was just one of those hands where I made a different read on the guy for whatever reason, and went above basic level thinking. You don't have to do this often at $400nl, but def. more so than the lower limits. Mathmatically, I know I'm ahead of his range here, but this hand I thought I was behind.

Secondly, I consider myself a strong enough postflop player, that I can laydown one pair type hands here and there in positions and bust players later. I'm not saying this is why I folded here, cause it isn't, but dealing with trouble hands (and those are your one pair hands) effectively really boosts win rates.

- Jordan

Vs an unknown villan, this is a call. His limp UTG tells me that he is a weak player. You are ahead too often over his range to lay this down. I wouldn't be surprised at all if villan held A-J. I think this is one of the times that I would go to the felt with a pair.

If your really concerned about a 9, then reraise the flop and fold to a push (I actually don't know if stacks are deep enough for that).

villian was sb.

- Jordan

Oops.. saw UTG limp and called and assumed.

What are your stats at the table? I think this call depends greatly on your image.... 9-8 or 10-9 is a possible call from the SB. I would have to make a weak raise to see where we are at, maybe to $120 or higher and drop to a push and push the turn to a call. Alot of villans will think an underpair is good in this spot. Your flat call on the flop tells villan you have A-K and greatly disguises the strength of your hand. A re-raise on the flop tells villan that you have an overpair, if he pushes then your beat. Did you have any stats on villan at all?

if u had a read on the guy, is it someone who would push in there whole stack with less then 3 of a kind?
Most players wouldnt so i like the fold

This reasoning is sound.

The flop call is acceptable as your hand's too strong to fold at that point. If this were a tournament then I'd say reraise to 'find out where you're at' but this is a cash game. Calling is fine as you put pressure on your opponent to continue playing well. And he did. If he made a play like this with J-10, knowing I was a good player capable of folding an overpair, then I tip my cap to him.

I'd have to use my call faster button here, if it existed.

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Jordan,

While I will agree with you that us good players are capable of laying down a one pair type hand here, and I certainly think that we can outplay them later, you can't be afraid to play a pot with a man that has only exhibited a setup to a bluff throughout the hand.

Think about it. You raised preflop. He took a card off with any number of hands. You said his range was from 22-JJ. So, obviously, one pair beats you here (the 99).

On the flop, his play showed for an overpair. The min-raise usually suggests strength, even at these higher levels. You call the min raise. Then he bets out the turn for his stack, and you fold, thinking he hit his set.

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Now, turn it around. Give yourself QQ from the villian, and would you play it the same way?

You call a raise preflop from an early position bettor, signifying strength. Then, when the flop is all undercards, you check/min raise the initial bettor when he makes what comes across as a continuation bet. You are looking for a call, and as long as an A or K doesn't fall on the turn, because you can feel pretty confidant he didn't have a 9 because he didn't play back at you on the flop.

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All I'm saying is, is that there is not enough information for us to make a valid decision that the villian had a better hand. If he shows a 9, then he wins a big pot from us.

Now, I know I didn't have the read that you did, but I will say that in the long run, I would probably have to make this call more often than not.

Just my .02

I went thru all those situations in my head, exactly.

Like I've said, against most players, I make this call. I really don't know why I didn't call here, except for the fact that I accepted my 3rd level thinking on the hand (which I dont go to often cause i dont need to) and went with my instinct which was telling me to fold.

If you go read my quads hand, which happened after...we actually discussed this hand, and the quads hand..cause the guy wasn't a jerk, and actually a good postflop player, well, decently good...but anyways...on this hand he told me he had A9, after he was moaning about that 66 hand he had foldeda flush on the river, and other ppl were giving him crap cause of how aggressive i'd been. I told him if he told me what he had on the 399J board I'd tell him what I had str8 up. He told me A9 and I told him 66.

So, even though it still bugged me afterwards folding the AA in the end I'm glad I went with what I had and made the right decision this time, although in the long run, against most ppl, I make this call.

- Jordan

QFT. That's why I don't really like playing NL. I just have to think to much.

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