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Zach6668
I have no reads here, been about 3 times around, and I haven't got PT running yet, however, the table is pretty tight, and generally folding to my raises preflop, I'm just getting ready to leave tongue.gif

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Button ($65.35)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($34.30)
UTG ($49.50)
Hero ($63.05)
MP1 ($11.20)
MP2 ($46)
MP3 ($48.05)
CO ($32.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A icon_suit_heart.gif , Q icon_suit_spade.gif .
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, MP1 calls $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, MP3 calls $1.50, 4 folds.

Flop: ($6.75) 6 icon_suit_heart.gif , 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif , 3 icon_suit_heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $8, Hero raises to $16...

Can we pull this move and represent the over pair here?

Is this profitable?

What type of player would this be ideal against.

I pulled up the PT stats just after this hand, and he ended up being like 17/2/0 after 36 hands, but don't let that sway your decision, as I didn't know that at the time.

The min raise here really felt like weakness, but a steal attempt if I have overs.

Does anyone agree/disagree?

- Zach
Scott3705
The thing is w/ him having position, you're usually getting called, and you are going to be forced to push the turn w/ ace high. Against a 17/2 type player, I'd say it's profitable and probably becomes less so against players who are 30/7.5.
crankin
While I'm a big fan of the c-bet, this is one of those places I don't like it. You've got three players left to act, and have a real good chance of getting called by at least one player. I'll probably get a lot of flack for this, but I'd check/fold this flop most of the time, possibly taking one off if there is a reasonable bet from one player.

Granted, 36 hands isn't really enough to get a clear picture of this guy. The one number that is scary, is that, thus far, he's shown *0* aggression on/after the flop. In this hand, he's decided to get aggressive. I'd give him a little credit.

Having said all that, against a lot of players a re-raise from a player is enough to take them off a decent hand. So, if he's just got something like TT, he might let it go.

If I was guessing, I'd say he pushed.
Zach6668
QUOTE (crankin @ Saturday, August 12th, 2006, 6:54 PM) *
While I'm a big fan of the c-bet, this is one of those places I don't like it. You've got three players left to act, and have a real good chance of getting called by at least one player. I'll probably get a lot of flack for this, but I'd check/fold this flop most of the time, possibly taking one off if there is a reasonable bet from one player.

Granted, 36 hands isn't really enough to get a clear picture of this guy. The one number that is scary, is that, thus far, he's shown *0* aggression on/after the flop. In this hand, he's decided to get aggressive. I'd give him a little credit.

Having said all that, against a lot of players a re-raise from a player is enough to take them off a decent hand. So, if he's just got something like TT, he might let it go.

If I was guessing, I'd say he pushed.


As stated in OP, we didn't have PT stats at the time. Overall table is tight/weak.

I'm c-betting all day long into a board of 366. Odds are that everybody missed it.

If it were 356, then I could see the case for a c/r. But with the paired board, it means it's way less likely that someone caught it.

The way these guys were playing, I felt if he had a hand like 55, 77, even TT, I could probably get them to fold it to a reraise.

I was playing quite aggressively, so if he has a 6, I'd expect a smooth call here, to get me to put more in the pot on the turn.
No_Neck
I like it everyonce in a while because unless he has a pair of 6's or 3's he has missed this board.

Not sure how I feel about this against an unknown though.
PimpRock
I tried the same thing earlier, dude put me all in. Im pretty sure he had jacks or queens but couldnt be sure.

As its a 10 handed table, Im gonna be honest and go with the check fold. You only have invested 1.50 so far, why go for more out of position with a nothing hand? You dont need to be outplaying people often at this level. Also, with three people to get through, its a bad spot to start making clever moves imo. Short handed, I would be a bigger fan of this but only with a great read on the opponent.
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