Gallo
Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 8:39 PM
I can't find the hand history, but here goes.
It's a 45 man SNG. I have about 14,500. Blinds at 250/500. I'm SB with J/9off. One player calls, I call, and BB goes all in. After his 500BB, the BB has like 2000 left. So total pot is 3500. The limper folds, should I call or not?
The BB hasn't played almost any hands and has been shorstack for awhile, I know that he's just waiting for a hand.
mikeysong
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 1:26 AM
QUOTE (Gallo @ Sunday, August 6th, 2006, 9:39 PM)

The BB hasn't played almost any hands and has been shorstack for awhile, I know that he's just waiting for a hand.
so shouldn't that tell you NO!?
if he had $1000 yes
2000, i say no
unless u wanna gamble, then GO FOR THE GOLD!
throwemaway
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 5:55 AM
How many people are left and how many pay?
Gallo
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 7:26 AM
QUOTE (throwemaway @ Monday, August 7th, 2006, 8:55 AM)

How many people are left and how many pay?
Top 6 pay, there were 10 people left, final table composed of 9 nine players. So average stack I think was about 6,750. I was 2nd in chips, behind the leader by a couple hundred.
cdipierr
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 7:29 AM
Given that new information, I'd say call. Yes, you're behind, but you'll be 60/40 a lot here, and you're getting the right odds for that. And since you have the stack you can afford to make this call to try to knock out the player.
Actuary
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 7:37 AM
let him have it
even as a proponent of calling more than others I don't here.
Your read is that he has a legit hand.
While you may have odds overall to call, I'd prefer keeping the strong chip pos to pick up pots/blinds as the others try to limp into the money.
If there were 7 left, I'd call.
No need to dbl him up here.
delasoul
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 11:56 AM
I agree as well.... no need to lose your chip position on a hand that you may be only 40/60 to win no matter how live 2 cards are. Let the short stacks take each other out while you move up another notch in the money and continue your strong hold on the smaller stacks by buying the blinds.
Willenation
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 12:50 PM
I lean towards a call here. If the average is <7000 and you're left with 12500 if you lose this, you're still in a great position to steal blinds, especially with tight bubble play. I definitely wouldn't say folding is a bad play, though.
Gallo
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 12:50 PM
Thanks for all the replies.
Ok, here's my thought process on the situation.
The blinds are high and with one limper already in there plus my 500 and none of us showing strength he probably feels that he has the best hand at the moment, which is probably right, lol. He could have pp or basically any 2 face cards or Ax. I know I'm probably a dog here, but I also figure that I can gamble a bit here given my stack and how much is in the pot already. The BB is about to get hit with SB so he can't really wait around either, he's just been able to barely hang on. If I lose it's not that big of a deal, if I win then I go to th final table a bit more stable and with a chip lead.
So as you can tell by my statement above I called.
He had AKoff. I hit a 9 on the flop and then one on the river. He then followed me to the final table just yelling out all kinds of insults and waiting for me to bust out.
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I was BB with 78off. Flop comes Ks7h8s, I bet out about 2/3pot, chip leader pus me all in, player who was 2nd in chips goes all in, I call (I think it was the right move, but that could be another topic.) Anyway, Chip leader has K10off, guy in 2nd has Qs6s. River brought another King and I'm out in 5th.
So should I have called in that situation too? I know I had the best hand here. What surprised me was that the guy 2nd in chips called on a draw. He had been playing solid while I was at his table.
Oh, well.
Actuary
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 1:08 PM
the 2nd one seems like a call, assuming you did not have a huge stack left and the next payout was a nice jump..so yeah.. almost for sure correct.
the flush draw had odds to call, most likely given a range of hands, and he may feel the payout structure warranted a gamble
I don't think the first hand was a lousy call by any means.
Matter of preference.
And I leaned a lot on your read that he was playing tight (unaware of M and how he should be pushing sooner)
I had 550 left last night in a 10 Man SnG. (thanks to a stupid pf push by me)
9 left, so luckily blinds coming around slowly.
Blind 50/100 and I push in lp after a limper with 44.
BB calls with 77, Limper folds
I hit a set.
Next rotation blinds 100/200 now 7 handed, I'm button, folds to me and I push ~1300 in with J8 off and BB calls with AA. Board: QKT A5.
I go on to win.
No one called me idiot because I was pushing, not calling.
How does this relate?
it doesn't.
Anyway, tell him it's the perks of being a big stack and he should learn how to get one.
Gallo
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 5:54 PM
QUOTE (Actuary @ Monday, August 7th, 2006, 4:08 PM)

the 2nd one seems like a call, assuming you did not have a huge stack left and the next payout was a nice jump..so yeah.. almost for sure correct.
the flush draw had odds to call, most likely given a range of hands, and he may feel the payout structure warranted a gamble
I don't think the first hand was a lousy call by any means.
Matter of preference.
And I leaned a lot on your read that he was playing tight (unaware of M and how he should be pushing sooner)
I had 550 left last night in a 10 Man SnG. (thanks to a stupid pf push by me)
9 left, so luckily blinds coming around slowly.
Blind 50/100 and I push in lp after a limper with 44.
BB calls with 77, Limper folds
I hit a set.
Next rotation blinds 100/200 now 7 handed, I'm button, folds to me and I push ~1300 in with J8 off and BB calls with AA. Board: QKT A5.
I go on to win.
No one called me idiot because I was pushing, not calling.
How does this relate?
it doesn't.
Anyway, tell him it's the perks of being a big stack and he should learn how to get one.
I was like 3rd or 4th in chips. The thing with the second one was that I bet out and chipleader puts both of us basically allin. The second guy was 2nd in chips and he was 2nd to act after the push. I was last to act after the push. I just thought that it wasn't that good of a call by the 2nd chip leader. I actually contemplated folding and moving up in payout, but...
1) I knew I had the best hand on the flop.
2) That's not my style to sit back.
subsin
Monday, August 7th, 2006, 8:01 PM
first one fold, dont double him up unless he was really shortstacked, then id call,
second one, ive been in too many hands where i was in the same situation u were in and lost, nowadays i prolly wouldve foldeed, earlier in my online career i wouldve called,
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