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Actuary
1st hand.


Stacks: 3000
Blinds: 20/40

MP opens with AA for 140
BB calls with T8s

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Flop: ( Pot 300 )
8 4 2 rainbow

BB checks
MP bets 150
BB calls

Critique then read on

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Turn ( Pot 600 )
T (2 hearts on board)

BB checks
MP bets 600
BB raises to 1400
MP re-raises all in for 1110
BB calls 310

Crtique.


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please, I know this looks simple.
AA's maybe get cracked, depending on river
I'd like to discuss

- the amount of the bets.
- the justification for BB to call preflop
- the check on turn by BB
- the 1/2 pot bet on dry flop board by MP, then Pot bet on turn
- the re-raise all in by MP on River

Please just refrain from "donkeys can't let go of Aces"
Also, be aware that you know the cards so, I'll assume you will be able to defnd your suggestions with various cards. Obviously no play works all the time because you don't know the exact 2 cards.

thanks.
hope this is good.
gobears
Pre flop - fine for both players. I'll call early with with a gapped suited connector just like BB did. It's easy to get away from if the flop misses you completely.

Post Flop - I would have bet 200 on the flop if I had the aces but 150 is ok. BB is OOP and just calling the 1/2 pot bet is fairly passive and He's giving a free card to his opponent who could easily just have two overs. However, this keeps the pot small and saves him chips if MP has an overpair or a better kicker (less likely but possible)

Turn card is great for BB. He checks going for the check/raise. MP now has to worry about a flush draw and pots it to drive out the draw. Once BB reraises; MP has to decide if he's in or out.

It's the first hand so my take is that BB could be pushing with some sort of draw as well as a set (I wouldn't really think that he had two pair with that board). Most of the time, I would fold the aces as BB could easily have hit a set and I still have 2K+ in chips after this hand.

Now if this was a rebuy, then I would push with the aces but I'm assuming that this is a freezeout.
tskillz187
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, August 4th, 2006, 3:14 PM) *
1st hand.
Stacks: 3000
Blinds: 20/40

MP opens with AA for 140
BB calls with T8s

Critique. Then Read on

I like the call. I'll call with any PP and any suited gappers this early in a tourney, Especially to a raise that is a little big.


Flop: ( Pot 300 )
8 4 2 rainbow

BB checks
MP bets 150
BB calls

I dont mind the check call, I may be leading out often to try and see if my hand is best and if he was raising PF with AK, AQ. Knowing that he has AA this is great.


Turn ( Pot 600 )
T (2 hearts on board)

BB checks
MP bets 600
BB raises to 1400
MP re-raises all in for 1110
BB calls 310

I'm C/R all in on the turn, which is basically what you did.
Crtique.


please, I know this looks simple.
AA's maybe get cracked, depending on river
I'd like to discuss

- the amount of the bets.
- the justification for BB to call preflop
- the check on turn by BB
- the 1/2 pot bet on dry flop board by MP, then Pot bet on turn
- the re-raise all in by MP on River

Please just refrain from "donkeys can't let go of Aces"
Also, be aware that you know the cards so, I'll assume you will be able to defnd your suggestions with various cards. Obviously no play works all the time because you don't know the exact 2 cards.

thanks.
hope this is good.


The justification for BB to call preflop is because of the huge implied odds early of someone not being able to get rid of a big PP. I don't even think it's wrong to not be able to get rid of a big PP early unless you are playing in $100 or bigger buyin.

Check on turn by BB is excellent. We are unsure of whether or not the PF raiser has AK, AQ or an overpair, but if he has AK or AQ he will check and has 0 wins on the river and if he has an overpair he will bet once again on the turn and we can check raise.

The 1/2 pot bet followed by pot bet sucks. It screams of pot building and then being fearful of anymore cards. I hate it. I just bet 2/3 to 3/4 of pot throughout and reevaluate if I get popped back.

The reraise all in is crappy but MP did not want to fight with a small stack of 300 and decided if he was good he would double and if AA got cracked he's done. The money will definitely get put in on the river anyway which is why the C/R should be all in by the BB.
Actuary
do you think the not-all-in-c/r entices MP to put the chips in ?

somewhere BB may have read that it's better to let the "aggressor " put himself in.
gobears
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, August 4th, 2006, 7:20 PM) *
do you think the not-all-in-c/r entices MP to put the chips in ?

somewhere BB may have read that it's better to let the "aggressor " put himself in.



MP should know that BB is pot committed since he's put over 1/2 his stack into the pot.

Actually that re-raise typically indicates strength rather then weakness as a player on a draw probably pushes for maximum fold equity.
tskillz187
QUOTE (gobears @ Friday, August 4th, 2006, 9:28 PM) *
MP should know that BB is pot committed since he's put over 1/2 his stack into the pot.

Actually that re-raise typically indicates strength rather then weakness as a player on a draw probably pushes for maximum fold equity.


Def agree. Morel ikely to get caller with all-in than leaving a tiny bit behind. But it's so small that it is probably negligible.
Willenation
If you're worried about him not calling an all-in reraise, and you've got a solid read that he has aces, 99.9% of the time in this tourney he's putting in another (prorbably all-in) bet on the river. It might be worth considering making the turn call and check/folding the river if he improves to better two pair/set. This gets all your money in when you're ahead, and saves you from a bad river if he's not folding the turn anyway. Certainly not always an optimal play, but against most players in a low buy-in tourney, it's a thought.
tskillz187
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If you're worried about him not calling an all-in reraise, and you've got a solid read that he has aces, 99.9% of the time in this tourney he's putting in another (prorbably all-in) bet on the river. It might be worth considering making the turn call and check/folding the river if he improves to better two pair/set. This gets all your money in when you're ahead, and saves you from a bad river if he's not folding the turn anyway. Certainly not always an optimal play, but against most players in a low buy-in tourney, it's a thought.


He would have to show me AA for me to have a read this good. The more cards that come out the more likely AA is a dog, giving him a better chance to fold, which would suck. There is no way I can fold my two pair here regardless of river as well, so it isn't helping me any.
Willenation
QUOTE (tskillz187 @ Saturday, August 5th, 2006, 1:33 PM) *
He would have to show me AA for me to have a read this good. The more cards that come out the more likely AA is a dog, giving him a better chance to fold, which would suck. There is no way I can fold my two pair here regardless of river as well, so it isn't helping me any.


It's definitely not at impossible fold if the board pairs below you and you have a good read that he has overcards. But yeah, I'm just saying it's a thought, not that it's necessarily the right play for this spot.
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