I got heads up with the villain. He seemed solid throughout, we had played a lot of pots together going back and forth. I doubled him up with 1010 v QQ three handed and he took a little bit of control after that.

This is probably the 10th or so heads up hand, he seemed a little more passive heads up than 3 handed.

Note: Nothing ever converts, I apparently suck at life. You can critique ever street, sometimes I fold this PF, and I had just folded the last two times he had raised on the button, and he also had folded to my raised the past two times, so I was ready for a flop.

Edit: This is a 20+2 6 seater tourney on UB

JaredH10 is at seat 2 with 122110.
tskillz187 is at seat 3 with 78890.
The button is at seat 3.

JaredH10 posts ante (150).
tskillz187 posts ante (150).
JaredH10 posts the small blind of 800.
tskillz187 posts the big blind of 1600.

JaredH10: -- --
tskillz187: 4d Jh

Pre-flop:

JaredH10 raises to 3200. tskillz187 calls.

Flop (board: 8s 8h 4c):

tskillz187 checks. JaredH10 checks.

Turn (board: 8s 8h 4c 4h):

tskillz187 bets 4500. JaredH10 calls.

River (board: 8s 8h 4c 4h 7s):

tskillz187 bets 9500. JaredH10 goes all-in for
114260. tskillz187 goes all-in for 71040. JaredH10
is returned 43220 (uncalled).

I would fold here as you still have 38BB left if you fold.

His push indicates that he has no fear that you have an 8; therefore, I put him on an 8.

Plus your read on villain has been "solid" and "passive" - so his overbet makes no sense unless he has a 8. Nothing that you posted indicates that this guy is a maniac.

PF - fine

Flop - bet half the pot. Fold to a raise.

Turn - check, and call a bet, even all-in

River - I'd call. Other than your scant description of villain, you have not given us any more info on the buy-in, etc. I don't think anyone holding an 8 goes all-in holding the third nuts.

20+2

I play this the same as monix. Though I fold this preflop in a raised pot.

I'd call, he probably doesn't put you on either 8 or 4, he could have a higher pp. Is he the type that raises alot hu?

I guess. I mean we didn't play that many hands, I probably underestimated when I said 10. Probably closer to 25. He wasn't raising much early, but I felt like he was feeling me out, hoping he'd hit and I'd overstep my boundaries.

But he had raised the past few times on the button as had I, I think we were both content to open up in position and play cautious out of position. That is until I decided I wanted to see a flop here.



I like this analysis, but is raising with a 7 or 99+ maniacal? I'm not too sure what he thinks of me. It crossed my mind that he might think I call with a 7 or with just the A.

This hand is played fine. HU, nothing wrong with the preflop call. On the flop nothing wrong with the check as you are OOP. Betting into him with just a 4 merely encourages him to abuse you and raise. On the turn you have made your hand. All of the money is going in here.

Preflop is ok, you cant let him runover you, though Id prefer something a little better to make a stand with.

I dont like the check on the flop. Youve caught a piece of it and need to know whether he just has overcards, an overpair or an 8. Id bet at least 3/4 of the pot. If he raises you can get out. If he calls you are behind, but you dont know to what.

If hes still in the hand and the 4 hits at least youve learned he wasnt just playing with an A. He can have overpairs or an 8 and i would check the turn on that line.

As it was played I like your turn bet, but the call doesnt tell you much of anything.

On the river you know hes got overpairs to the 8s, (36 hands) an 8, probably coupled with a 7, 9, K or A for the preflop raise (30 hands), or if hes bluffing an A with most any card.

I dont love it but theres plenty of hands you are beating. Call.




If there was flop betting I would agree that he doesnt fear an 8, so probably has one. Given the checks on the flop I dont think you can put him that solidly on an 8.

I dont really think this is true. His PF raising range is pretty big IMO plus I think he wouldn't fold to my OOP flop aggression, either calling to try and take it down later if I let up, or raising to see where he is at. I checked the flop to c/r him on the flop.

After the c/r line didn't work, I figure I'm good and he has overs. The turn is kind of my gin card and I'm hoping he is going to put up a struggle. River doesn't bother me, then I see his push and am not happy, and think to reevaluate the situation.

Just as a sidenote, there seems to be a lot of discussion on how to play this specific hand, I wish more people would put heads up play up to discuss. A lot of times people give strategies for full and shorthanded then when it gets to heads up they are like "well thats what I need to work on" or "stay aggressive and weaker hands can still be good."

I really wished we focused more on heads up play, which is something I actually feel like I play well.

He had the mofoing 8, obviously. I suck.

the problem with posting about deepstack HU play is its much more context dependent than most other situations. Eg while I feel that small ball with aggressive preflop/flop betting with the button and raise or fold OOP preflop (all with deceptive variations of course), there are players that this approach would be a disaster against.

Even a complete history of the Hu hands leading up to the one in question can suffer from "you really had to be there". this hand is a good example. The preflop play can be fine in context (and in my response i assumed it was), or it could be too weak a hand to call a raise with (which if I had been there might have been my reaction).

And I still think betting on the flop might have gotten you out of this hand alive.

Fair enough. I still feel like it's part of the game that isn't discussed much at all. I don't like betting the flop because I'm folding to any kind of resistance, at the time of the check I'm trying to keep the pot small and also let him take a stab at it when I feel I'm ahead.

I feel like I get no information if he calls or raises my flop bet. He could have anything. I mean his minraise preflop didnt give me much information either, turns out he had 83o so he really was raising with any two. If he smooth calls my flop bet, I *may* check to him on the turn, I really have no clue where I am if he bets I'm probably going to lose all y my chips. If he checks behind, I'm probably going to lead out to value bet the river and if he raises me I'm calling, and if he raises me all in I'm thinking until the time clock is almost over and calling, and losing

fold this preflop

I mean serisouly, why are you calling a raise, albiet a min-raise with J4o. especially when your goning to have to play OOP.

other than that nh

Sarcastic?

not really, but now that I took a closer look I think you have enough to fold, or maybe just check/call river

Preflop is fine.

I bet the flop. You could possibly take it down right there. If you get raised, then fold.

But still, this hand and your reads come together and make this a fold for me.