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jhub30
I play 6 man SNGs paying top 2 in a 65-35 distribution.

Blinds: 100/200
Button: 1300
SB: 3900
BB (You): 3800

Action: Button folds, SB Completes.
Question: What hands are you raising here vs a TAG? vs a LAG? When you miss the flop are you c-betting as much as you normally do?

Same stacks
Action: Button folds, SB raises to 600.
Question: What hands are you calling with vs a TAG? vs a LAG?
monix
I don’t play many 6 handed SNGs, but with those stack sizes and an M>12, I’d be playing pretty tight.

In scenario 1, I’d raise 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KTo+, and check everything else. If I miss the flop, and it is checked to me, I’d c-bat half the pot.

In scenario 2, I’d re-raise QQ+, AQs+, AQo+, call with JJ, TT, and fold everything else.
jhub30
QUOTE (monix @ Thursday, August 3rd, 2006, 6:18 AM) *
I don’t play many 6 handed SNGs, but with those stack sizes and an M>12, I’d be playing pretty tight.

In scenario 1, I’d raise 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KTo+, and check everything else. If I miss the flop, and it is checked to me, I’d c-bat half the pot.

In scenario 2, I’d re-raise QQ+, AQs+, AQo+, call with JJ, TT, and fold everything else.


This seems a little loose to me considering how much of a lead we have on shorty. Think of it as 4 handed on the bubble in a 9 man SNG & there's another person still in. There is still a small stack. Anyone else have any input on this one?
cdipierr
QUOTE (jhub30 @ Thursday, August 3rd, 2006, 7:06 AM) *
This seems a little loose to me considering how much of a lead we have on shorty. Think of it as 4 handed on the bubble in a 9 man SNG & there's another person still in. There is still a small stack. Anyone else have any input on this one?


Same rules apply here. You're not playing for 2nd in the 6 man, and you're not playing for 3rd in the full table. Scenario 1 I think I'd raise any pair, and any decent ace or king. We can check things like QT and such.

Scenario 2, I'd push JJ+, call with AQ/AK (willing to get it all in on a favorable flop), and fold the rest.

Remember, the other "big stack" you're playing against has just as much of a reason to be afraid of you as you do of him. If you say push QQ in Scenario 1, and he calls with AJ, you're in fantastic position to not only bust him, but win the entire thing because you'll have a huge stack over the leftover shortstack. Alternatively, again in scenario 1, if he raises, and you push back, you might start winning binds in a walk thereafter.
Actuary
I am never able to give exact ranges because I have ot be there.
Saying LAG/TAG is too vague.

If he has folded 10 times to me, I fold almost all but QQ+ / AK here.

If he is taking advantage of the situations raisng constantly, I may push all in with 88+ - If I have reason to think he'll laydown a lot of hands and back the heck off.

That said, I play to cash. Although, I"m used to 60/40 payouts

Me and cdpierre don't see eye to eye here.

One reaon, likely is I don't think the chances of getting 1st are that damaged by going in as the shrter stack HU.

PowerTools probably disagrees
cdipierr
QUOTE (Actuary @ Thursday, August 3rd, 2006, 8:29 AM) *
I am never able to give exact ranges because I have ot be there.
Saying LAG/TAG is too vague.

If he has folded 10 times to me, I fold almost all but QQ+ / AK here.

If he is taking advantage of the situations raisng constantly, I may push all in with 88+ - If I have reason to think he'll laydown a lot of hands and back the heck off.

That said, I play to cash. Although, I"m used to 60/40 payouts

Me and cdpierre don't see eye to eye here.

One reaon, likely is I don't think the chances of getting 1st are that damaged by going in as the shrter stack HU.

PowerTools probably disagrees


Actually in a 60/40 payout structure, I'd tend to agree with you. And even more so I agree with your assessment of saying it's all dependent on previous action. I don't think we can constantly fold our BB to his raises and expect to end up on top, but yeah if he usually folds and raises just this once, play tight of course.
mjd
QUOTE (monix @ Thursday, August 3rd, 2006, 7:18 AM) *
I don’t play many 6 handed SNGs, but with those stack sizes and an M>12, I’d be playing pretty tight.

In scenario 1, I’d raise 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KTo+, and check everything else. If I miss the flop, and it is checked to me, I’d c-bat half the pot.

In scenario 2, I’d re-raise QQ+, AQs+, AQo+, call with JJ, TT, and fold everything else.


I think this is about right. Play the hands you'd normally play. The short stack isn't short enough that you're guaranteed to cash by folding. If the shorty were 400, I might reduce my hand range a whole lot vs the other big stack.

-M
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