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shpaget
$1000 buy-in NLHE....all three players likely won seats in satellites.

Hero has 20k
Button has 9k
SB has 10k

Blinds are 100/200.

Hero raises in MP to 800 with JJ.

Button calls, SB calls.

Flop comes JKA, two hearts....pot 2600.

SB checks, Hero bets 1800, Button goes all-in ~8k, SB goes all-in ~9k, hero....?


I'm not hero....no reads on opponents though both are clearly less experienced than Hero, and button knows that Hero doesn't bluff....SB has been mostly aggressive, not tight, not loose.


Does your answer change if Hero bet 1500 or 2000 on the flop? (I think he bet 1800 but it may have been a little more or little less)
tskillz187
I think everything points to calling. You very likely have the best hand, you have no risk of losing as you have a 2:1 chip lead, and can knock both oppononets out here.

Folding bottom set is very hard, folding bottom set three handed when the board isn't ridiculously coordinated and the opponents aren't giving you huge reads is insane.
copernicus
how many left in the tourney? average stack? where does the payout structure start?
shpaget
QUOTE (copernicus @ Monday, July 31st, 2006, 4:03 PM) *
how many left in the tourney? average stack? where does the payout structure start?


Relatively early - two-day 240 player tourney...each day plays from 120 to 10...probably 100 people left.

So avg stack is roughly 12000.
copernicus
QUOTE (shpaget @ Monday, July 31st, 2006, 8:56 PM) *
Relatively early - two-day 240 player tourney...each day plays from 120 to 10...probably 100 people left.

So avg stack is roughly 12000.

So your play is really just a tournament chip decision.


I wouldnt be surprise if there are 3 or 4 hearts in the other two hands for them both to be all in vs that board. If one of them is the Q and another the A they still only have 10 outs between them, and you have a few redraws of your own.

The only thing that crushes you despite the odds is a made straight and i dont see QT in the preflop action as likely. Thats a tough call for a SB, even though the odds are good.
HoldemPokerPlyr
Call. If they have you beat, they have you beat. That's poker.

-HoldemPokerPlyr
Actuary
QUOTE (tskillz187 @ Monday, July 31st, 2006, 3:54 PM) *
Folding bottom set is very hard, folding bottom set three handed when the board isn't ridiculously coordinated


it's pretty coordinated.

but yeah, easy call.
shpaget
QUOTE (copernicus @ Monday, July 31st, 2006, 7:26 PM) *
So your play is really just a tournament chip decision.
I wouldnt be surprise if there are 3 or 4 hearts in the other two hands for them both to be all in vs that board. If one of them is the Q and another the A they still only have 10 outs between them, and you have a few redraws of your own.

The only thing that crushes you despite the odds is a made straight and i dont see QT in the preflop action as likely. Thats a tough call for a SB, even though the odds are good.


SB did indeed have the made straight, and button had AK, leaving hero needing the case jack (which someone else claimed to fold pf) or a running pair. The straight won.

SB later explained that if the button had folded preflop he also would have folded - he felt the button calling gave him correct odds to see a flop, even out of position.


NOTE: most people around the table put SB on the made straight and questioned hero's call - SB's pf call was up for debate too (more divided) but the person who thought it worst was, of course, hero
Dhall901
QUOTE (shpaget @ Monday, July 31st, 2006, 3:48 PM) *
$1000 buy-in NLHE....all three players likely won seats in satellites.

Hero has 20k
Button has 9k
SB has 10k

Blinds are 100/200.

Hero raises in MP to 800 with JJ.

Button calls, SB calls.

Flop comes JKA, two hearts....pot 2600.

SB checks, Hero bets 1800, Button goes all-in ~8k, SB goes all-in ~9k, hero....?
I'm not hero....no reads on opponents though both are clearly less experienced than Hero, and button knows that Hero doesn't bluff....SB has been mostly aggressive, not tight, not loose.
Does your answer change if Hero bet 1500 or 2000 on the flop? (I think he bet 1800 but it may have been a little more or little less)


It's unlikely both your opponents would just call preflop with AA/KK/AK, although it's not unheard of. It's most likely you're up against the heart draw, and perhaps the made straight. In any event, with both your opponents all in, I can get away from bottom set here..
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