Ok, this one is for the believers.

We all know occam's razor, simplest explanation is usualy the right one.

To me, the simplest explanation of how we got here is god. All this quantom theory crap is really complicated and doesn't really do a good job of explaining of how the universe came to be.

Now this by no means means I am a turned believer, I just thought I would switch it up a bit since the believer always have to defend themselves here. And I realize some athesists will spit quantum theory, irregaluarities and what not at me. But, how did the first singularity decide to split apart so many years ago, and how did it get the energy to do so? And if it is all based on weird probabilistic outcomes, how did that singularity get there in the first place? Multi-demension, string theory answers are acceptable, but is that any weirder than the notion of a god?

Believers, feel free to ridicule all the non-believers nonsense answers in this thread.

flawed logical reasoning - invoking a creator is not simplifying things, it is just shifting our lack of understanding about the universe to lack of understanding of a creator. the complexity and lack of understanding is still there either way. as far as occam's razor is concerned invoking god just adds an extra unnecessary level of complexity. "just happened" is simpler.



perhaps, because we don't understand it very well. but saying god did it doesn't explain anything either. again, what theists miss when they try to make these arguments is that if there is a creator his creation methods would necessarily HAVE to involve complexity at least on the level of complex science (QM etc.), so adding god simplfies nothing. again, the complexity is still there either way - either the universe is complex beyond our current understanding on its own, or god is and made it that way. invoking god simplifies nothing.



the universe as a whole whatever it is (not necessarily just our visible universe) may have always been. no reason to assume it came into being from nothing, or from a singularity or whatever.

also you can't apply our concept of time to these arguments. among other things, a singularity if they really exist would have no time relative to us, so even the phrase "in the first place" referring to the origin of the universe might be totally meaningless as far as our concept of time is concerned.

No physical law claims to know how we got here, how the universe started, or what created the big bang. The big bang theory only goes back to a pathetic 10^-34 seconds after the universe began, and it doesn't even attempt to answer anything before that time. We leave that up to religion and philosophy (for now).

Actually I explained this in a theoretical biblical way awhile back. Biblically, in Genesis God says he created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void- meaning, by my POSSIBLE interpetation, that he created the matter in which our universe as we know it is made of- then, he doesn't specify a time frame as to when he actually gets started on the building of said creations and then he doesn't really say the how he did it, just that he did it. So, really, anything could have happened at that point, and without me having to understand every intricate detail of the how- because lets face it, none of us do and we probably are never going too- I can still believe that God at least facilitated it or put the wheels in motion.

And others can believe that there is no god, so that explanation is null and void.

Others would be wrong. The Rock says... the rock says... the rock says.. know your role and shut your hole.

It's "Know your role and shut your mouth"

And unfortunately, you are wrong.

Candy *** Jabroni.

Actually, quantum theory is very simple. It seems complicated because it's always building on previous versions of itself and on reality, but branches keep "integrating" and the equations become very simple. It's just our understanding that gets more and more complicated. You can describe the universe using physics in way less text than the bible.