PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($49.50)
UTG+1 ($57.30)
MP1 ($18.30)
MP2 ($19.50)
CO ($71.30)
Hero ($26.40)
SB ($6.25)
BB ($31.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J , Q .
UTG calls $0.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 4 , 5 , J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG raises to $4, Hero ????


Didn't think my call here through thouroughly, i.e. what I'm gonna do on the river...



Hero calls $2.

River: ($13) J (2 players)
UTG bets $9, Hero ???????.

Think about raising with QJ in LP. Nobody showed any strength; take this one down.

As played, I think UTG has a boat or straight, but I'm probably paying him off at these stakes. If you're not going to fold the turn, what else were you looking to do on the river?

Well my thinking with his river bet is, I, having bet the flop and turn, probably have a J. Then when the 2nd Jack hits on the river, he still bets a good proportion of the pot. If he isn't afraid of me having a jack, (unless he has AJ, but unlikely) he can beat a lone Jack....

Anyone else get this idea at all?

bumped...

I can't fold that turn and you're probably short enough that pushing here on the river is ok.

if you're gona call the turn, wat card possibly could you be looking to help ur hand besides a Jack? if u think u had the best hand on the turn, definately on the river

two jacks?

yeah, our hand is pretty transparent after we flat call the turn minraise. more often than not, the villain leading into us on the river here despite the 2nd J means we're no good.



Really? Because villain has to call because of odds, or because you think it's possible to fold a str8 here? Because if it's the former, unless we've been playing very LAG, it seems like there are too few hands the villain could call with here even given the post-push odds. A weaker J and maybe an overpair, and very oddly played as well.

hero's got 9 behind him after calling villian's bet, villian is likely to feel obligated with a wide range excluding air. I't s 9-10 back into a 30+ pot.

You can't really fold the river if you called the turn unless you were looking to just hit your queen on the river. The bet wasn't ridiculously high on the river so with trip j's, after you called the turn you pretty much have to call.

i understand the obligation angle - i just don't see too many non-air hands that play like this all the way to the river that we are now ahead of that would feel obligated even with such good odds. i mean, even if the villain oddly played something like 99/TT, or now finds his 8x (x not being J) counterfeited, it still seems like he'd be really pressed to call even getting better than 3-1 with trips/house, str8, and flush all being possible hands that beat him.

Jx and overpair definitely pays a push off here - but man, that would be a really odd way to play them.

There arent even many JX hands we have beat with so many undercards, most logical being J9 and J10.

If villian is bluffing he's not calling any more anyways, call the bet on the river. Every draw hit, including straight on turn. Maybe at these stacks a push is profitable in some situations but it would be good to not get in the habit of it because as you progress then these are kinds of pushes that will kill you. Of course you dont have much left in stack but better to save 15-20BB if possible because this board is not a friendly one against villian's agression unless he is weak or overly agressive with mediocre hands.