Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($102.95)
MP ($37.05)
Button ($115.75)
SB ($99.50)
Hero ($104.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 9. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, Button raises to $4, SB (poster) calls $3.50, Hero calls $3, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3.

Flop: ($20) 6, Q, 5 (5 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $9, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $9, SB calls $6.

Turn: ($47) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero...



SB is pretty much unknown. Assume others are unknown as well.

Edit: I've decided to take this street by street.

I dont like your preflop call...OOP with a very marginal hand is not a good combo at all. Fold this

flop: You want to take this hand down now. Raise this up to 15-20 and try to take it down now. Your hand is still pretty vulnerable.

Turn: I probably use the b/f line here

River: as played this is a fold. I think a blocking bet here is +ev though

seconded.

It's going to be a pretty big multiway pot and my hand does pretty well under that scenario.

Still fold pre-flop?

well often u only have 3 clean outs in the 9 and they arent usualy even gonna be top pair. Plus the fact that your oop is a huge one.

just remember

marginal hand + big raise + oop = fold

Q9s is like the cut off for me.

I'd call here with QTs, Q9s is kinda bleh...more so cause you are OOP.

As for flop play. Raise to 15-20, if you're called, be ready to shut down, unless you think SB is on a draw, if so, bet/fold turn.

- Jordan

Obviously limpers are going to be calling as well so I would probably call. However, with this many limpers and a raiser I am playing strictly for flush, straight and two pair or better potential. Floping 9xx or Qxx doesn't bode well with me. I probably fold that flop. Look at it. Disgusting stuff. Two low cards which bring about potential sets, a draw to the flush, a playable queen in which someone probably has better kicker and of course a straight draw not to mention 56 for the two pair. This is assuming original raiser doesn't have monster overpair.

With this many limpers odds will say one of those scenarios exist and if you reraise then you could be getting called by draws or monsters, making your job DIFFICULT over the next two streets in determining what callers have.

A close second to folding is calling. The chances that it goes around without being reraised aren't great but if they do then it might give your hand hope if turn is total blank or helps your hand. Then again, there aren't many blanks that don't fill some draw or aren't an overcard.

Overall, I suggest folding but if you call be prepared to fold for reraise.

I don't mind pf since you have the chance to win a few 100BB stacks.

Sb leading is a pretty big sign of strength IMO. So I fold the flop.

I don't think you can tell that preflop. But still, yeah, OOP multi-way this is a fold for me.

OK. I'm editting my post to now include the turn card and action.

As an aside, I will generally raise this flop more, but I usually execute raises by raising 3X the bet. In this case, I negelected to take into account the size of the pot since I'm usually playing a few other tables.

I don't think calling is an option on this flop.

Screech,

SB is betting 3 dollars into a 20 dollar pot. If anything this indicates pretty substantial weakness to me, as I don't think these players are sophisticated enough to use a weak-lead tactic.

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As for the turn, I'm wondering if check/folding is better than bet/folding. One of the advantages of raising this flop is that I typically will fold better queens than mine, but when I get called in a couple spots I don't really feel like I'm ahead often enough to bet this. I also don't think I have that much fold equity against better hands if they play the flop that way.

bet more on the flop atleast 15.

Asplayed, bet the turn to about 30 or so..

Edit: just noticed that button called... with the draw there and with your smallish raise on the flop, I'd say it's still a bet tho.

Scott,





Why do you think betting the turn is better than checking, and most likely folding? I know there's a flush draw to charge, but after the flop action I don't think a pair of queens, nine kicker is going to be the best hand in this pot very often.

Edit: Just noticed your edit. Let's say I do raise 15 and still get the same action. Still bet?

Hey Alpha, I have a little trick that while I haven't announced it on here and I don't know if it'll be flamed or accepted, it makes me feel better

If a scare card hits the board and I know the best line is probably b/f, I try to think about the amount that I'm calling if I was willing to c/c instead. I bet that amount out, fold if raised, and justify it to myself by saying I would've called that amount. Often that's how I value-bet as well.

Just food for thought.

i really have no problem pf at a sh table with a bunch of max buyins

my prob is post flop here. with the Q9s we don't want this flop and this is not why we called pf to make this hand. we called for straights and flushes and implied odds. I probably don't even raise this on the flop and try to get a showdown as cheap as possible. Too much action and no improvement I don't even hesitate to chuck this.

After looking at the hand, I do think that folding the flop is the best play, and the bolded part is especially true. I think that the weak lead by SB sort of presented a squeeze opportunity where I could get value out of my hand by folding other top pair hands, at least that was the idea.

1. I think you're little raise left you in such an unclear situaiton that I would imagine you still may have the best hand or atleast you may be able to dictate your price for the river and check the river if it gets there.

2. Same action if you raised 15, c/f.



this is why I don't like calling preflop in a shed game. Implied odds are usually not as significant in shed because preflop raising standards are so wide.