Hand 1 -

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K , 8 .
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6 , T , 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises,


Hand 2 -

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A , 9 .
Button raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T , K , 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises,

In both hands villain is somewhat LAG and the raise comes from the button or CO. By calling the flop and check/raising the turn I feel like I'm showing more strength than I would by just check/raising the flop, which IMO has become a fairly standard way to attempt to defend blinds with nothing.

The other thing both of these hands have in common is that I've picked up a draw of some sort on the turn, though I'm not sure that really matters, because I've put so much money in the pot I'm probably going to have to follow through with a river bet anyway.

It's called "Call to Bluff" or CTB.

It works well in NL.

You generally have a lot less fold equity in limit, so I'm not sure if it's profitable. In fact, I'd call it spew.

Raising the flop accomplishes nearly the same result, but exposes far less money.

It depends. Usually I think it sucks, but it can occassionally be good.

For it to work:
a) your opponent has to consistently bet/fold turns in position and
and, you have to do this with strong made hands.

I don't mind Hand #1, much less chance of him hitting that flop, but you're going to need to fire on the river as well, most are not folding the turn, because they'll probably still have 2 overcards if not a draw as well.

Hand #2 is not so good, I really don't see many opponents folding here, you have a straight draw, so I think you're better off just trying to hit it. If you were going to try to take the pot away for this hand, you should have tried on the flop. This board is too likely to have connected him in some shape or form.

I agree with JayBoogie.

I don't mind doing this in hand 1 every once and a while.

Hand 2 has a board that has likely hit villian in some way. I dont think this works nearly enough for it to be profitable.

also i was thinking in hand two what if he is drawing with something like KQ, he's already got top pair and now had a big draw which eats one of your outs that you would feel comfortable with if it hit, and eats your nine. You are happy if you put him on this hand and the top end comes out giving him two pair, but i think like master said i think you are exposing too much money on a bluff.

I used to do this all the time!

But I lost a whole lot of money.

So I stopped.


--cm

Do this on low boards that probably missed him, don't do it too often, make sure you're doing it against the right person, and make sure you're doing the same thing with made hands. And be careful, there's definitely lots of potential for spewage.

I love the concept in short handed play. But I don't care for the second had.


As everyone already said, the board probably hit your opponent and he is probably not going anywhere.

Plus, you've got at least 12 outs ~24 chance to hit the river with 4.25:1 pot odds to call the turn. A profitable call!!

If you raise, you just pushed your odds down to 2.625:1, assuming he doesn't re-raise.

You EV went from +0.26BB to -0.26BB.

You went from a clearly profitable call to a very, very questionable semi-bluff that is almost certainly not going to recover the EV you are risking.


Again, as everyone said, the first hand is a bit better situation. But I like check raising the flop and betting out on the turn more often than c/r the urn (depending on the flop texture). It's cheaper than check raising the turn. But seeing how you picked up the gutshot to go with your over card, you probably have at least 6 outs if you are called. So, you probably only have to get him to fold something like 20%, or so, to make this a profitable move.

Either way, as screech said, make sure you do a fair amout of check raising with strong hands to make people believe you.

Hand 1 - i dont mind a check raise on the flop.

Hand 2 - i check/fold the flop