So in the last Video Blog Daniel you mentioned that you had wrote up what you think would be a great schedule for next years WSOP. Just hoping to see it typed out here because I am curious as to what you have in mind.

I'll definitely do that when I finish tweaking it. The schedule consists of something like:

10 NL Hold'em
6 LH
4 PLH
3 Stud
3 Stud HL
4 Omaha 8
3 PLO
2 Mixed Game ($50,000 HORSE, $2500 HOSE)
2-7 NL SIngle Draw
2 Razz
2-7 Triple Draw

Also a $25,000 Heads Up tournament for Bracelet Winners Only.

The bracelet winners only idea is gold and would generate tv revenue.

I know people hate this sentiment but I think its a good one. Also I certainly think that there can be a superior schedule while maintaining tv appeal.

The 25K HU Matches would be phenomenal.

Might I suggest making one of your Omaha-8 tournaments pot limit.

Daniel;

Do you think the buy-in for all the events you listed should be raised too?

gcello

I'd like to see a shorthanded pot limit omaha tournament.

you forgot 5 card draw (high)

i like the kansas city lowball, need 2 events like that (you have 2 razz, so why not, lol)

i think the lack of a 2nd KC lowball event is balanced out by the triple draw event.

awesome schedule, i think everyone involved would be happy with this schedule. and it renews prestige in all events.

I agree 100%, but I don't think it'll happen....not enough NL events to satisfy the suits at Harrahs....

I saw a video on CP.com where J Pollock was talking about an event that was only for non-braclet or non-wsop final tablist. IMO the WSOP is an event centered around pros. They wouldn't just have PGA event where anyone could give it a shot. The non-braclet winner tournament should be down the street with the kiddie game IMO.

I think there needs to be more NL Holdem tournaments. Those are the tournaments that draw the most players, as well as make the most money for Harrah's. There has to be give on BOTH sides, not just Harrah's doing exactly what the player's want.

QFT, but I think that 10 NLHE events is plently.

Daniel, there was a thread in general where we were talking about lowball events.

I think you should push for a B.R.A.S. event. (B)adugi, ®azz, (A)-5 single draw, and 2-(S)even Triple Draw

Shame that we'll never see that schedule.

It'll be more like this next year:

40 NL Hold'em

What about a final table tournament?

You would only be eligible if you made a final table at a previous event.

This man speaks the truth. I like DN's schedule, but it's all about the $$$$ for Harrah's.

Daniel;s WSOP schedule is up on his blog, not video

I do like DN's proposed schedule, but the lack of lower buy in events would greatly limit the "every man" from the chance to play.

I guess I need a better job!

I don't like the idea of having to win a bracelet to enter an event to win a bracelet. Anyone who wants to put up $25k should be able to enter.

The WSOP brand was NEVER about the "every man." The satellites were for the "every man" but the tournaments were for the "big dogs." I went to the WSOP in 1996 and tried my butt off to get into a tournament. I couldn't do it. I went back in 97' to try some satellites again, but just missed.

Finally, in 98' I got my chance and did well with it. It was once a struggle to get into those tournaments and the buy ins have gotten LOWER since 98- much lower.

If Benny Binion were alive he'd be turning over in his grave right now. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Look how watered down the bracelets have become? Tell me, any of you, who won the $1000 no rebuy NLH tournament? Or how about the $2000 NLH ?

There used to be a time where the whole poker world knew. Those were the good old days.



Well, I don't much like the idea of "Seniors Only" or "Ladies Only" events either, but they are a part of what makes the WSOP great. Notice, that on the day of the Bracelet event there is also a tournament for NON-bracelet winners.

Having a qualification process for the event makes it even more special to win. It makes those that have a bracelet feel like they are part of a "club" if you will. A bracelet only tournament will also guarantee some sick, sick, match ups that will play well on television... imagine Hashem vs Raymer? Hellmuth vs. Chan?

Well, I can't argue that point with you, as I am a relative noob to the game (playing 3+ years). To the seasoned pros, I see your point, that the bracelets don't seem to mean that much. To the rest of us, they are the Holy Grail.

I could not tell you who won those lower buy in tourneys (another very valid point you pose). If it were me, I would know!

I say again--I need a better job.

Keep keepin it real, DN. That's why you are the man.

I would only want this if they show the whole tourney.

All extremely valid points. I hope this happens Daniel.

Im telling you Daniel you guys really need to form a League and a union of players. Lots of great ideas and since the WSOP is going down the tubes lets do something about it. Your influence is huge and I think if you rallied Jen, Marco, Erik, Carlos, Ivey, Allen, and JJ that would be enough pull to get something started. Those names are big enough to draw other pros but it comes down to taking a stand and either start your own league or at least a poker players union of sorts. Seems that meeting with Harrahs and the WSOP committee just isnt getting it done. Seems that the lines of communication only go so far. Anyway keep the ideas coming. You are the only true ambassador for poker with all you've done and are capable of doing. Get it done big dawg!



Jeff Cabanillas vs. Jack Zwerner?

that would be tight!

the only thing I dont like is the HU tourney for bracelet winners only. Cause you still could have like...11 people sign up that and because its not an open tourney you wouldnt be given credit for a real bracelet.

I think he is turning in his grave. If he were alive it wouldnt be like it is!

Dude, I can guarantee you'll they'll get a good tournament, that's a cinch.

(btw, me typing this response will be in the next video blog)

I know, I'm not doubting that. I would love to see that tourney

But because it would restrict entrant to only those with bracelets I dont think they would give the winner an 'acutal' bracelet if you will. It would be like the senoir or ladies event. They get the bracelet but it doesnt really count.

Good new is that they would probably change it last minute to a short handed shootout..

I like it, but you should add a 10k athletes/owners event as well. Imagine Gilbert Arenas, Jerry Buss, Shaq, and TO at a final table!

People who think O8 should be played with PL is clueless, the game doesn't work with pot-limit!


Dude, 2-7 NL Single Draw IS Kansas City Lowball!

I would love to see Harrah's get away from the WSOHE (HE is hold'em if u dont get it), but it wont happen. NLHE sells. Period. LHE is boring for the average poker fan, PLO is confusing for some, and any 8/ob game would give migranes for people. ESPN wants 20 NLHE events for tv, and it won't change anytime soon, sadly.

I think that you should consider putting the 2500 HORSE before the sats 50K HORSE start. Give people a chance to enter the smaller event, do well, and decide roll some of any winnings forward into a satellite for the 50K. I would also suggest that the 50K be put in the middle of the series as a sort of "semi-main event". If you were to do this, I would suggest putting some 5K events before the 50K to avoid the bunching toward the end.

I think that the 25K heads-ups bracelet winners event should be the kick-off, with a corresponding tournament for the bracelet-less. Perhaps your goal placing it in the middle is to have a less time-consuming tournament in the middle to give the big name pros a bit of a break. You don't need the buy-in to be quite that high, though.

I think that having short handed limit hold em and O/8 on back-to-back days might be a mistake unless you expect the LHE to be a two-day event, because I bet those attract limit action junkies and a lot of people who want to play O8 might still be playing hold em on day two. They are also book-ended by the 5K stud/8 and the triple draw event, so those are four consecutive days of action-oriented limit games in a row.

I notice that most of the smallest buy-in tournaments run simultaneously to the big HORSE event. On a certain level, that makes sense, since the bigger names are less interested in the smaller events. Instead of having a separate 2K and 2.5K stud/8, I would consider changing the 2K to 1.5K and putting it simultaneous to the HORSE event to break up the string of 3 big-bet games in a row.

I think the buy-ins need some standardization. Perhaps each game has a 1500, 2500, and 5000 event (or possibly 1500, 3000, 6000), except for NLHE and PLO, which would go 1500, 2500, 5000, 10000. Events that show up once, like 2-7 Triple Draw and short-handed events, would have a standard buy-in, perhaps 3000, or 3000 for the more popular events, 5000 for the less popular events. The Poker Special Olympics events like seniors and ladies would be 1500.

Heres my quick list...it's 38 events if my 3am math is right

NLHE (10)- $1500(2), $2000, $2500(3), $5000(2), 10K (ME)
LHE (5)- $1500, $2000, $5000(2)
PLHE (3)- $2500 (2), $5000
Omaha 8/OB (4)- $1500, $2500(2), $5000
PLO (4)- $2500(2), $5000, $10K
Stud (4)- $1500, $2500(2), $5000
Stud 8/OB (3)- $2500(2), $5000
2-7 Lowball- $5000
HORSE (2)- $2500, $50000

I don't know how close that is to DN's...I just glanced at his. What do you think?

You forgot the employees event, the true first event of the WSOP. I don't want to hear anything about "not everyone can enter", because not everyone can enter the ladies event, or the seniors event. This year's event was bigger than the main event just 2 years ago...

warning: I havent read the entire thread.

When you say 'bracelet winners' do you mean from that current year only?
I think it would be pretty cool if you included past bracelet winners so that you could get a little WSOP history involved in a tourney.

PS. "If Benny Binion were alive he'd be turning over in his grave right now."
This makes no sense and makes my head hurt.

What about a S.H.O.E. event? For those that don't wish to turn their brains into mush while having the Razz level of H.O.R.S.E.?

j/k

Was the employees event missing?

What would be great television would be a freeroll WSOP employees event with the pros dealing. Imagine the verbals with Hellmuth or Mike the Mouth critiqueing every play. It may be the only time a dealer gets a penalty for the F-bomb.

Consider it like a golf pro-am, entertainment for the fans and possibly a relaxing way for the pros to start the tournament.

Harrahs could put up a prize fund that might go some way to quelling the dealer revolt, and it would be good publicity for them I think.

Erimus.

I was just wondering how come 5-card draw never gets played in these tournies any more? Does it just not play well for tournaments or not popular any more? It is the game that a lot of folks grew up with and I thought that it might generate enough interest to warrant its own event.

Looks good - and the sequencing is also important for the non-NLH events so people can optimize their travel plans around areas of specialty. I would suggest the following order of overlapping specialty themes:

PLH
PLO
O8
LHE
S H/L
S
Razz
27

Maybe throwing in one HORSE in the middle and the other at the end. The NLH can be evenly distributed through the event

Making one of the O8 a PLO8 also makes sense.

Edit: I wrote this before I looked at the blog. Having looked at the details in the blog, it seems like the schedule has been put together for players who can be out in Vegas for the full series, as opposed to spending 1-3 weeks there, which is probably the majority of players. Scattering the events for the same game throughtout the series will likely lead to a significant reduction in entrants (and hotel rooms etc) although it will diminish the level of competition for the full time pros. I honestly don't believe that this is what you had in mind!!

i like everything but the NON bracelet tourney !!

other than that it is all good!

THAT would be cool- you could also bust their chops right back...

so way back when there where only a dozen people in the ME their braclets don't count as "real"?

edit:nvm i get it cuz its a "closed" event



I still want a mixed lowball game event.

yeah, i know, i was saying there should be 2 kc lowball events, a lower buy in one and a higher buy in one

personally, id rather play kc lowball over triple draw, but that is just me

The main event buy in is too low, it needs to be 25k now I think. It needs to be at least on a par with if not more than the biggest WPT event. Besides the numbers in the ME are just getting silly.

if you just won anywhere from like $200,000 to $10-15million from the main event i dont think most ppl would mind spending $25 grand on this (well unless u did only winn 200k i guess) but for most to get some extra tv time they wouldnt mind

Daniel, is there any way we can get a link to the actual spreadsheet that has the schedule? The formatting on the text version is a bit of a muddle.

My suggestion: maybe one PLO8 is called for, it seems to have a bit of an online following. SHOE is not a bad idea as it has been an event in the past, or Round of Each (in other words, OE or HO, I know somebody does a tourney like that). Also, I would say if the buy in on the Main Event should be raised, it shouldn't go to $25k overnight, maybe gradually bring it up, make it $12k or $15k and bump it up a few years later. If you don't, next year we'll have, what? Day 1E? 1F?

Something has to be done...

I do love the multiple HORSE though, I've been a fan of HORSE for a long damn time now. Hopefully Stars spreading it will help things out.

you say no duplicate events, are 20 and 23 different?

Just curious, maybe I caught a mistake...maybe I'm like the 100th person to ask this

Why not limit the bracelet events to one for each major game type, then you can say you're the WSOP NL Hold'em champion period. The bracelet tournaments should all be at least $5000 buy-in. You can still run other tournaments but there just not bracelet events. You can schedule the non-bracelet events on the days between the bracelet events to allow people who want to play every major event to do so. The main event still runs as normal.

I can't see the differance between winning the $1000 NL event and the $2000 event, it just seems to water the whole thing down if you have 5 champions for the same game.

Events.....

NLHE
PLHE
LHE
Short handed NLH
NLHE shootout
Heads-up NLHE
Heads-up LHE
PLO
PLO8
LO8
Stud
Stud8
Razz
Triple Draw
Draw High (this is optional, I'd include this and 5CS for completeness)
Triple Draw Lowball
A-5 Lowball
Kansas City Lowball
HORSE
SHOE

I've probably missed something but you get the idea (not that any of this matters, I won't ever win a bracelet anyway!)