Yoda
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 3:39 PM
QUOTE (Kestral123 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:22 PM)

I have railed against this in the past so I guess I have to go at it again. Post count is irrelevant. I am a charter member, and I read this forum almost every day for nearly 2 years. Just because I don't feel the need to make a ton of stupid posts to jack up my post count should not some how disqualify me from the event.
Yes it should. You are not an FCP Superstar. You are an FCP who the f
uck is that? Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth. If you want to participate in FCP poker games/events or post more and make yourself known, maybe you too can be a superstar.
TB17
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 3:44 PM
can we invite Jfarrel?
Yoda
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 3:45 PM
QUOTE (zsta2k6 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:35 PM)

Sorry to dissapoint, but the levels will be 45 seconds
(sw)
As far as post count dictating entry, I tend to shy away from that, because of the point Kestral makes, it's quality, not quantity. I'd rather let play dictate entry, rather than how many **** and fart jokes you can make in general. Plus, I kind of only have like 115 posts, and half of them are crap. I'd rather see a 'play in' where your play will qualify you.
I was suggesting post count OR actual FCP poker participation. If you have neither of these then why should you get entry into a private FCP league. Lurkers and freerollers just don't seem to belong in this.
You definitely can't call it FCP superstars if you let any ole schmo into this. And by the way, if this is an any ole schmo can play league, I for one would not join. I can do that under the sit n go tab already.
eYank
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 3:47 PM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 3:45 PM)

I was suggesting post count OR actual FCP poker participation. If you have neither of these then why should you get entry into a private FCP league. Lurkers and freerollers just don't seem to belong in this.
You definitely can't call it FCP superstars if you let any ole schmo into this. And by the way, if this is an any ole schmo can play league, I for one would not join. I can do that under the sit n go tab already.
i like that post count or participation, bc i havent participated in anything but i post a lot here but i also agree on the name change
we need it like the FCP Players Championship or something like that idk
BeaverStyle
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:17 PM
I'm in for the low event... Charter members only, or +300 post count wouldn't be a bad idea for the higher buy-in... and possibly for the low, doesn't seem necessary though.
freak2304
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:28 PM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 3:45 PM)

I was suggesting post count OR actual FCP poker participation. If you have neither of these then why should you get entry into a private FCP league. Lurkers and freerollers just don't seem to belong in this.
You definitely can't call it FCP superstars if you let any ole schmo into this. And by the way, if this is an any ole schmo can play league, I for one would not join. I can do that under the sit n go tab already.
Dude, this is rediculous. You've been a member here for 5 months and because you have 50 posts a day you are calling other people ole schmo. Come on, that's hillarious.
alf13
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:33 PM
I would be in if the buyin is a little higher.... (bare minimum $100...$250 would be nice...)
any word on that?
It would also be cool if alot of known fcpers got in on this...
zimmer4141
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:44 PM
Well, I won't be in for less than $250 total. Like Checky said, it's just not worth my time when I could be making more money with my time. It's cool to play against forum people, but that alone isn't worth it to me.
I know that I sound like an elitist bastard, but this is the truth. The HU league is great because it is for a good size buyin, and has plenty of bragging rights attached.
alf13
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:48 PM
Yeah...giving it some thought..I am with Zim...it has to be $250...
We are talking alot of coordination here and an actual committment...
I need something to motivate myself....and a couple of K would do it...
So...my vote is for $250
Jujoki3
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:52 PM
i would be in for the 50-100 buyin. also. we can't go by post count, because some people just don't post a lot. i prefer to just stick in the actual poker room and not the poker forum.
Vatche
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:52 PM
QUOTE (freak2304 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 5:28 PM)

Dude, this is rediculous. You've been a member here for 5 months and because you have 50 posts a day you are calling other people ole schmo. Come on, that's hillarious.
he hasnt been here for 5 months nor does he post 50 times a day...when the forum was updated, all the members starting with the letters "y" and "z" got their accounts lost and new ones had to be created.
freak2304
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:59 PM
QUOTE (Vatche @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:52 PM)

he hasnt been here for 5 months nor does he post 50 times a day...when the forum was updated, all the members starting with the letters "y" and "z" got their accounts lost and new ones had to be created.
Well, if that's the case then ok. But I still believe entry by post count isn't the way to go. Especially since the guy running it has 100ish and been here less than 3 months.
Loismustdie
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 5:42 PM
I'm in if it's a 250$ buy in, for the same reasons as Ron and Zimmer.
Kestral123
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 5:50 PM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:39 PM)

Yes it should. You are not an FCP Superstar. You are an FCP who the fuck is that? Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth. If you want to participate in FCP poker games/events or post more and make yourself known, maybe you too can be a superstar.
It's not only harsh, it's narrow-minded, elitist, and misguided. Post count in no way equates to "Superstar" status. For that matter, I've played with two of the frequent posters here, and they are two of the biggest donks I've seen at the table.
What's wrong with having a play-in along the lines of what he has been proposing? My charter membership ought to be worth something. Given that 90 percent of the posts of a lot of these posters are absolutely content free and useless, that is an absolutely ridiculous way to select participants.
Loismustdie
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 5:55 PM
QUOTE (Kestral123 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:50 PM)

It's not only harsh, it's narrow-minded, elitist, and misguided. Post count in no way equates to "Superstar" status. For that matter, I've played with two of the frequent posters here, and they are two of the biggest donks I've seen at the table.
What's wrong with having a play-in along the lines of what he has been proposing? My charter membership ought to be worth something. Given that 90 percent of the posts of a lot of these posters are absolutely content free and useless, that is an absolutely ridiculous way to select participants.
I haven't read the whole thread. What has been the proposed way to choose participants?
I will tell you one way to thin the field. Make the buy in 250 to 500. That would guarantee interested participants and you could assume they are at the very least decent, being that they could afford the buy in in the fist place.
Kestral123
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 5:58 PM
QUOTE (Loismustdie @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 8:55 PM)

I haven't read the whole thread. What has been the proposed way to choose participants?
I will tell you one way to thin the field. Make the buy in 250 to 500. That would guarantee interested participants and you could assume they are at the very least decent, being that they could afford the buy in in the fist place.
OP suggested a play-in freeroll with the top 24 making it into the event and then having to buy-in.
I am willing to buy-in for up to $1000.
Loismustdie
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:11 PM
QUOTE (Kestral123 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:58 PM)

OP suggested a play-in freeroll with the top 24 making it into the event and then having to buy-in.
I am willing to buy-in for up to $1000.
A freeroll? Thats not the way to do it. The whole point is to get decent players into this, right? Anything can happen in a one time freeroll, including people backingout of the buy in. Personally I don't think thats the way to go.
I would be suprised if FCP could even get involved being that it's being called Superstars. I would bet that is some sort of infringement.
Kestral123
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:18 PM
QUOTE (Loismustdie @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 9:11 PM)

A freeroll? Thats not the way to do it. The whole point is to get decent players into this, right? Anything can happen in a one time freeroll, including people backingout of the buy in. Personally I don't think thats the way to go.
I would be suprised if FCP could even get involved being that it's being called Superstars. I would bet that is some sort of infringement.
Coincidentally, I'm a trademark lawyer. That could be an issue, but Superstars is also potentially generic. Were FCP my client, though, I'd recommend not taking the risk.
As for the freeroll issue, it's just to select the final 24. If one of those 24 backed out of the buy-in, you just keep going down the list until you get 24. I'm sure there are other ways, though, but I liked that idea.
HangukMiguk
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:22 PM
QUOTE (Kestral123 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:18 PM)

Coincidentally, I'm a trademark lawyer. That could be an issue, but Superstars is also potentially generic.
yeah, but wouldn't the combination of the name as well as the rules that are enforced on Poker Superstars make it an infringement?
I wouldn't see too much of a problem, if juice isn't charged, but I highly doubt that would happen.
zsta2k6
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:39 PM
QUOTE (Kestral123 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 10:18 PM)

Coincidentally, I'm a trademark lawyer. That could be an issue, but Superstars is also potentially generic. Were FCP my client, though, I'd recommend not taking the risk.
I'm feeling a name contest coming on.. any suggestions?
Wandigo
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:39 PM
QUOTE (Loismustdie @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 5:55 PM)

I will tell you one way to thin the field. Make the buy in 250 to 500. That would guarantee interested participants and you could assume they are at the very least decent, being that they could afford the buy in in the fist place.
I'm very interested in playing but can't do something this high. Most of my play is live and a majority goes to paying bills, so 250-500 is a lot of money to me, and I'm sure there's a few others in the same boat.
xzanos
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:51 PM
QUOTE (zsta2k6 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 7:39 PM)

I'm feeling a name contest coming on.. any suggestions?
QUOTE (eYank @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 4:47 PM)

i also agree on the name change we need it like the FCP Players Championship or something like that idk
HangukMiguk
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 6:54 PM
The Masters of FCP
Napa_Don
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 7:00 PM
I'm interested.
EStormOk
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 8:59 PM
How about these for names:
The low buy in could be named the "Any ole schmoe on FCP freeroll thingy"
and
the high buy in could be the "My post count is bigger than you overly high priced one and only championship."
sw
alf13
Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 9:55 PM
QUOTE (Loismustdie @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 9:42 PM)

I'm in if it's a 250$ buy in, for the same reasons as Ron and Zimmer.
You mean Alf...not Ron.
Loismustdie
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 4:18 PM
QUOTE (alf13 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 10:55 PM)

You mean Alf...not Ron.
Thought I saw Ron in there. Sorry, Alf. No one deserves that kind of disrespect.
zsta2k6
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 8:33 PM
Alright, after some deliberation and pressure from both sides of this argument, I have decided to change the qualification for the high buyin event. There will now be a 2 tiered qualification.
The first qualifier will be open only to those who have competed in FCPHUL, FCPFC, or placed top 15 in either Neg-O leaderboard this year (1st or 2nd quarter). This qualifier will probably be $5+.5 entry, and will award 12 of the seats. The other 12 will be awarded in an open entry qualifier following the restricted qualifier, same buyin as the restricted, and elgible players may play in both.
As long as there are enough willing players (at least 24) to put up $150+ for the buyin, the high buyin event will happen.
However, the low buyin even is in question, dependant on if I can work something out with the poker room, as the buyin is so low the $5+.5 minimum buyin would crush not only the payouts, but would make it so at least $27.50 has to be spent to play, not to mention playoffs, essentially killing the event.
As far as payouts, you can see the estimates based on a $250 buyin below
Buyin : $250 + $25 (for prelim buyins, will be reimbursed after prelims are finished, all buyins for matches will be reimbursed)
Total Prize Pool: $6000
Payouts:
Prelim win: $50 (20 winners)
Round of 16 win: $75 (8 winners)
Quarterfinal 2nd, 3rd or 4th: $75 (6 winners)
Quarterfinal win: $150 (2 winners)
Semifinal loss: $150 (2 winners)
Semifinal win: $250 (2 winners)
Final loss: $700 (one winner)
Final win: $2000 (one winner)
Maximum win: $2900
Now, if you run the numbers and figure out how much is being paid out (and I'm sure someone will) You will notice only $5850 is being paid out (that's right, in PS3, with all the advertising and such, FSN and the poker room is still skimming the prize pool) What to do with the excess $150 is up to the players. My idea is an 8 person $150 added consolation tournament for the players knocked out in the round of 16. That's just my idea.
Loismustdie
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 9:48 PM
Open the first tournament to anyone who made the Protoge final table and I will be there. Otherwise, meh.
XXEddie
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 9:49 PM
I agree with the format posted above.
Now who wants to stake me
...no sw
RDog
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:01 PM
So is the qualifier you are talking about only for the lower buy in? In other words, how many total people are interested in the higher buy in?
zsta2k6
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:09 PM
QUOTE (RDog @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 2:01 AM)

So is the qualifier you are talking about only for the lower buy in? In other words, how many total people are interested in the higher buy in?
I'm counting at least 10 who specifically stated they would buy in to the high buyin event, a majority of people just sent along their forum name, so it is kind of hard to tell specific high buyin interest at this point. I'm working on revamping the interest list to say who is interested in what buy in.
xzanos
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:26 PM
I'd be in for the proposed $250 buyin, but I choose not to jump through the qualifying hoop to get in. If there's room for me, let me know, otherwise, GL with this.
tskillz187
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:30 PM
Is the $250 set in stone? If it is and there is no prelim I would also like to be in.
zsta2k6
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Confirmed High Buy in List ($250) (31/32)
----------
Aasnake88
alf13
BrandonPL
Checkymcfold
CrackerKid
gilbertology
gobears
GrinderMJ
homer21
Huge Pair
IBThePenny
Jujoki3
Kestral123
krup24
loismustdie
msals11
Oziumrules
RDog
Royal Tour
seacucumber
ShizzMoney
supertouch
TB17
thehidden
theraflu
tskillz187
Vatche
Willenation
xzanos
zimmer4141
ZIPPY COOTIE
Confirmed Low Buy in List ($50) (32/32)
-----------
blazerp0410
brvheart
BWToth
caviness36
cdipierr
da_beartrap
donkslayer
EStormOK
eyank
Flyingdonkey
freak2304
Fubar The Sperm
golden
gruven
JadeTiger
Jdr999
jjdylan
jowest
Kei
Mercury69
mike_nied
nickforgot
ol'number7
rookie2619
Sam_hard8
sloshr
tobytobey
TorontosOwn
Walter Sobchek
Wandigo
XX44466XX
yoda
Confirmed Low Buy in Alternates (5)
-----------
whatarunaa
Marc-O
ChrisRichey
JAckArnal
Spence
Golden
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:52 PM
I am interested in a low buy-in, i.e. $100 or less
zsta2k6
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 11:00 PM
mispost...
gilbertology
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 11:49 PM
dont have time to read through the whole thread but Id be down for either type of buyin
Wandigo
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 11:50 PM
QUOTE (Golden @ Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:52 PM)

I am interested in a low buy-in, i.e. $100 or less
Same here, can you move me from Unknown to the low buy-in?
Mercury69
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 4:49 AM
QUOTE (Vatche @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 8:52 PM)

he hasnt been here for 5 months nor does he post 50 times a day...when the forum was updated, all the members starting with the letters "y" and "z" got their accounts lost and new ones had to be created.
QUOTE (freak2304 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 8:59 PM)

Well, if that's the case then ok. But I still believe entry by post count isn't the way to go. Especially since the guy running it has 100ish and been here less than 3 months.
Regardless of post count, Yoda is still a dildo.
QUOTE (alf13 @ Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 1:55 AM)

You mean Alf...not Ron.
Alf...Ron, whatever..it's hard to differentiate fro mthe asshats here sometimes. :-)
Anyway...on the constructive side, clearly there is a division of interests which indicates two "levels" of play $50-$100 and $250. If we can agree on that, we can go ahead with formatting how the series will be played. Those of you who haven't said which buy-in you can do should do so ASAP.
alf13
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 6:33 AM
I am with this...but I will not jump through any qualifying hoops.
I am with xzanos on that.
I don't need to qualify for anything.
I AM a superstar. (On fcp at least)
Yoda
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:00 AM
QUOTE (freak2304 @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 8:28 PM)

Dude, this is rediculous. You've been a member here for 5 months and because you have 50 posts a day you are calling other people ole schmo. Come on, that's hillarious.
lol you're a moron, i've been a member here for well over a year. I lost signup date and member number when the forum change happened. And learn how to spell ridiculous you a
ss hat.
QUOTE (Vatche @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 8:52 PM)

he hasnt been here for 5 months nor does he post 50 times a day...when the forum was updated, all the members starting with the letters "y" and "z" got their accounts lost and new ones had to be created.
I see you covered this already, thanks

QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 8:49 AM)

Regardless of post count, Yoda is still a dildo.
You have proven yourself to be an as
shole on so many occasions I don't even feel the need to fight back. You sir, are an RKIGS, and will be treated as such from here on out. Congrats on your new status
supertouch
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:01 AM
i can't sift through 8 pages of posts, so if this has already been addresses, i apologize in advance. but, has the idea of having two leagues, one at $100 buy in and the other at $250, been brought up yet?
i am more inclined to sign up for the $100 but would probably sign up for the $250.
eYank
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:19 AM
id be interested in the low buy in
DonkSlayer
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:22 AM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 2:07 PM)

This is named FCP Superstars right? Not FCP Freeroll for every 18-poster that wants to play the all in game?
People with < 200 posts shouldn't even be considered for the real deal. And preference should be given to participants of the FCP Heads Up League, Forum Challenge, or at the very LEAST Neg-O.
If commissioner really wants to put in the extra time for a low buyin event, fine. But this should be called FCP Not So Super-stars.
Buyin I'd say minimum $50, $100 is ideal. Plus each tourney match can be $10-20 as well.
Seriously though, "FCP Superstars" with a $20 buyin for the whole season? Come on.
All that being said, I love the idea in general and think it has a lot of potential. ::Throws his name into the hat::
My post count is higher. I must be a bigger superstar than you.
Oneeydjaq
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:28 AM
Im in. Email sent
Yoda
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:29 AM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 11:22 AM)

My post count is higher. I must be a bigger superstar than you.
AND, your dead sexeh..
DonkSlayer
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:37 AM
QUOTE (Yoda @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 11:29 AM)

AND, your dead sexeh..
Hijack time. Yoda, what's the nearest Casino to you?
Yoda
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:39 AM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 11:37 AM)

Hijack time. Yoda, what's the nearest Casino to you?
Unfortunately I don't live ANYwhere near a casino anymore. Back in NY I was 2 hours from AC & Foxwoods. But in the middle of NC, damn. Caesars Indiana? There certainly isn't anything in VA or NC. But let me know if you find one! I hear there is a riverboat in SC but the website looks like dookie.
kennyg1966
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 7:43 AM
interested perhaps
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