WPEX 2/4 10 handed

first orbit, no reads.

UTG limps, folds to me in MP3, I raise with 7 7 , BB calls, UTG calls.

FLOP: 7 sb

2 5 8

UTG bets, hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls

TURN: 5.5 bb

3

UTG checks, hero bets, UTG raises, hero ?


I completely missed that UTG limped, however i think im raising from mp3 on for control anyway. Yes, no?

Bet/fold flop?

bet/fold turn?

I would call down after getting check/raised on the turn. With this kind of board, your opponent can have anything, something like A5, a high diamond, straight draw and etc are all possible. There's too many holdings you are actually in front of to fold here and if he has like 52, 52, any diamond makes your hand good too.

Odds are that he completed his flush.

There isn't much that beats your hand. What could he have had?

Ace-x diamond suited is the most likely holding. It explains the limp/call preflop.

check/call down. If he hit the flush, then he did.

I like PF and flop play. I'm bet/folding the turn unless I have a read that he's a lag. Even when you're ahead I doubt it's by much considering this board and that he almost certainly has either a higher diamond or two overs.

GB

The UTG limp either means a small pocket pair or a X-X suited. By the way villian bet into flop first and called your raise, then followed by a check/raise on turn. Smells trouble! I would throw away the hand, unless you have notes and stats stating that this player is a maniac but seems to me villian is passive/aggresive.. GL 2 U

FYP.

I would call the turn and probalby make a crying call on the river.

i think on the turn it is clear that you are beat. it seems that he had A X of diamonds and made it on the turn because i noticed a lot of people in the lower limits like leading out with flush draws and then calling when someone raise them. the reasons it is pretty obvious you are beat is that it is lower limits and they really dont play tricky (so most likely he wont be trying to represent the flush). another reason you should fold is because what do you really have beat? you only have A 5 beat, and if he has A 5 with the ace of diamonds you are going to have to dodge a lot of outs and arent much of a favorite (about 60-40 i think). now lets look at the more likely holdings:
A X in diamonds- in which case you are drawing dead
A 4 w/ the ace of diamonds- again you are drawing dead
A 4 no diamonds- drawing real slim and if you make another diamond on the river you still wont be to confident calling with a 7 high flush

you have to think too that even if he has A 8 he has you drawing real slim. even if he has A 9 or better with one diamond it is still about 60-40. there is also the possibilty that he could have a pocket pair bigger then yours and jsut played it really wierd (such as 99 with one diamond). someone did say that he could have 52, which i think is impossible (well almost impossible, 99.96% of the time he wont have that if not never). he cant have 52 he limped from UTG how could he limp with 52?

so if you really look at it there are many hands that have you drawing dead or in really bad shape compared to the number of hands you have beat it makes this a clear fold on the turn.

I think you are too keen on putting your opponents on specific hands (usually the scarier ones), and should maybe widen villians range a bit. There is no reason to think he has the nuts here, and he could easily have 2 pair or a set, in which case you have at least 9 outs. He may even have something like 76 or Ad5.

C/C the river.

i am not only saying that this guy could have the winner all the time, but really think about it. what hand do you have beat? and i am not talking in general i am talking about how the action went. you really have almost nothing beat. i am saying that people need to learn to lay down a hand once in a while. a lot of these people come onto the boards and ask for advice when most of the time it is clear they have a losing hand, like this one, yet you are encouraging him to call and see the river and call the river. what will happen in the long run is he will lose. tell me what hand can he really have that you have beat? (remember this is not high limit, they arent normally really tricky either)
and remember what i said, most likely he wont have 2 pair he limped from UTG so most of the time h wont have 53, 52, 58, 23, or 28. so really you are looking at a set, straight, or flush.

Yeah, you're probably right. I haven't played 2/4 in a while, but in the games I play, I get check/raised here by a worse hand a retarded amount.

Yeah I actually missed the flop bet by the villain, so bet/fold is actually ok. I guess even more so in a straight forward low limit game, I'm never folding this in the games I play though.

yeah i know what you mean, but i forget a lot of times too, you have to look at the limits you are playing (as you can tell from another post i forgot what limit we were playing). in the lower limits people for the most part play semi straight forward, like idiots would but somewhat straight forward. but then again this is what makes poker so great there is never a clear cut answer for everyone both of the ways we might play it could still be correct in different situations

yea h ive been assuming these games are tough and tricky but every time i call down they have what is expected, i probably should just settle down and play standard.

screeech you said you made it to 15./30 playing standard, yes? WPEX has some rounders, yet still has the ocassional fish. logic says play straight forawrrd and reap rewards from rake than tally with this stuff.