This is more for the experienced posters here. Was worried about missing bets, but was having a bad day at the omaha tables and was more interested in missing two bb's than losing a bunch of them. I think the biggest mistake was not taking into consideration Adrock's position when he raised preflop when considering his hand range. I had no read, although he seemed decent.

Stage #403900361: Holdem Normal $2/$4 - 2006-07-16 16:32:02 (ET)
Table: PALMDALE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer

PRINCEOSPADE - Posts small blind $1
MR_WOLFF - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DONKSLAYER [As Ah]
INCHWORM - Folds
ADROCK80 - Raises $4 to $4
DONKSLAYER - Raises $6 to $6
table folds except..
ADROCK80 - Calls $2
*** FLOP *** [6c 2d 2s]
ADROCK80 - Bets $2
DONKSLAYER - Raises $4 to $4
ADROCK80 - Calls $2
*** TURN *** [6c 2d 2s] [3h]
ADROCK80 - Checks
DONKSLAYER - Checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 2d 2s 3h] [3c]
ADROCK80 - Bets $4
DONKSLAYER - Calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***

huh?



pretty basic pussy hand.

I am not an experienced poster but I bet turn and lead river.He probably has a pocket pair there.No flush draw on the board so whats he calling with?A3?no way. A6? we hope so. I think you missed a BB there.

But again..i am not experienced.

I'm an experienced poster but I recently changed my account name. Thus, I am qualified to tell you that you played this hand pretty terribly.

3-bet the flop.

Bet/3-bet the turn - some may disagree with this, but I'd ask them to consider villain's hand range

Bet the river.

GB

Actuary, thanks for the tough love.

Going, re-read the OP before you say dumb **** like 3-bet flop when Im behind the bettor.

Cheers~

Wow, way to be a prick. Sorry, I couldn't tell who was what with the way you posted the hand, sue me. They make these things called converters... you should look into that. Nice check behind on the turn tho (edit: sw).

GB

Wah.

Guess it's time to lockitup.

I don't like the turn or river. I'm jamming the pot on both of those streets.

Bet turn. Bet river. CONVERT YOUR HANDS.

- Zach

who and why ?

I'm curious about this too...

I'm not taking you seriously until I find out...

What was your position at the table? If you were in EP in a 9 or 10 handed game, you should consider just calling preflop.

Flop seems ok. Calling to raise any turn would be good too.

Turn sucks. I have no idea why you never bet. Villian isn't going to fold, and given his flop raise, it's unlikely he has you beat.

River is a raise. What hands are you scared of?

I can live with that.

GB

LOSING!

Haha.

I know I missed bets here. I didn't pay enough attention to the board and the position of the raiser; I was stuck on the action only. If the board and been more middle or lower faces, I think my line would've been OK.

lol, ok.

yeah you have to jam this pot with aces in position. the player probably had 10's or J's and was afraid of an over pair on the flop. i am sure he would've just check called you on the turn and the river. you have to learn to be the agressor or you will be eaten alive in the limit games. there are many reasons for betting the turn,
1. if you bet the turn you find out where you are, if he raises you can then be more cautious, but if he jsut calls you are going to be ahead most of the time and get get another bet in on the river with confidence.
2. it shows you are the aggressor and even if he has you beat he might check to you on the river either afraid or hoping to get a check raise in, in which case after he checks to you on the river you can then decide if you want to bet it or not.

the problem you have with aces in this spot when that board comes down is if the guy flopped a set you are going to have to pay him off but with bets you can most likely figure out where you are in the hand. it seemed liek you knew where you were on the flop (ahead) but with the check on the turn you again had no idea what he ahd when he bet into you on the river (although my guess is that he had jacks of tens).

and what do you mean with experienced posters? just cause someone has a lot of posts doesnt make him a good limit player and vise versa.

Good point. I meant "players" I guess.

Roadhawg,

why would you slow down if c/r 'd on the turn?
We are ahead so often.

I'd 3-bet is Raised on turn.

I agree. Since when did everyone here turn into such pussies?

It's not everybody.

Maybe not, but gross generalizations are much easier than specific criticisms.

LOL, I know, but I have noticed this too... there are a few people lately that have posted like this... weak-tight is not a long term winning strategy.

why would you 3 bet the turn?

the only reason i could think of is to see exactly where you are at (and i mean to see if he 4 bets or just calls) because there are still hands that have him beat and if the guy does check raise most of the time in these lower limits they will have it. i know the guy could be doing this with an over pair but really.... well actually this is low limit so yeah it does make sense that the guy would do this with an over pair but i still think you need to be more catious when someone does show strength. i am not saying to give up but dont go out guns blazing when someone shows stregth cause aces do get cracked a lot by small pairs because of small sets.

simple card combinations.

He raised from EP.
How often is that 66?
Or the one 22 remaining ?
33 betting the flop and calling a raise ?

The only reason to perhaps not 3-bet, would be if you strongly suspect he will fold to a 3 bet and otherwise lead the river - in which case you raise river.

Exactly. Seeing where you're at makes no sense because it implies you are going to get away from your hand. It's pure value baby.

yeah i see what you guys are saying but what i mean to say in the first place is when i say slow down it means dont just pull the trigger without thinking it through, i mean if a crazy guy is raising sure you re raise but if a rock is rasing be a little more catious. but i do think the 3 bet is right, now because the more i think he probably just had jacks or something.

Raising only to "see where you are at" is a massive leak.

It's a mildly valid play in NL, but in Limit the value of the raise to see where you're at is GREATLY diminished.

Oh, and yeah, I like actuary's line.

You're so much limit-smarter than me it's sick.