Stole the layout from Cobalt again. Peace.

Crypto 2/4 LHE (6-handed)

Hero is UTG w/ A K

PRE-FLOP
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero caps, CO calls.

FLOP [5 3 9 ] (2 players) (9.5 sb)
Hero bets, CO calls

TURN [A ] (2 players) (5.75 bb)
Hero bets, , CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls

RIVER [Q ] (2 players) (11.75 bb)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero... ??


Villain is 30/17/1.2

Anyone fold this river?

Anyone play the flop/turn differently?

Anyone not cap preflop?

This hand is made up. I get into lots of hypothetical arguments. Humour me.

- Zach

Put a : after the 9 diamond, and remove BlueCobalt from the HH

I'm still on the fence with respect to the turn 3-bet.

I find a river fold here.

Lol... Damn half in the bag posts.

I'd check-call the river here. You might get a busted draw or worse ace to bet, and you'll save a bet if you're beat.

I like the cap against this player.

I also like the turn three-bet against this player since he's still likely to call down hands we beat, like mid pairs, one diamond hands, etc.

I find a river fold as played. I think it's close though, at least on Party it would be, because there are a LOT of players that will intensely overplay flush draws, and I have seen many of these players over-aggro the river when they miss hoping that you fold. Since we three-bet the turn though, it really looks like he's setting us up, and he has to know that a bluff in this spot has a very low chance of success.

I cap preflop.
I bet flop.
I 3bet preflop.
I definitely call the river.

Only if I am capped on the turn will I only check-call the river.

This showdown will be seen.

--cm

coran,

does the fact that villian is good and knows we have at least TPTK and expects us to call the river 99% of the time change your opinion on the river?

I'm kinda partial to the following line:

PF: cap
Flop: bet
Turn: bet/call
River: bet/call

This way if he's on a free showdown on the turn, you still get in one more bet. If he's not and has us crushed, you lose at least one less bet between the turn and river.

Additionally, if he's multitabling and doesn't consider the PF action, he may think you have made flush and called the turn just waiting to see if a fourth diamond fell to destroy your hand. So even if he made aces up on the river he doesn't raise you a lot.

Ok, so who hates this?

GB

Yes.
Of Course.

I liikely fold to this river raise if/when I start playing 30/60.

At 2/4, the nonsense-bluff river raise happens enough to warrant calling down always, in my opinion.


--cm

you get bluff/raised on this river more as you move up in limits due to the more aggressive nature of the games. But still, most TAGs dont try nonsense-bluff check/raises on rivers when it seems obvious that their opponent isn't laying their hand down at any limit. Thats what makes this an easy fold, vs any TAG, at any limit (unless of course its a strat table ).

I don't see ever folding this river getting 14:1.. Especially with TPTK, regardless of the opponent, isn't this an automatic call?

yes.. i read an earlier post that a guy was folding a boat even though it got counterfitted on the river. in limit you are getting like 8 million to 1 by the time of the river after its been raised 97 times.. lets say you are getting 8-1.. you guys gotta remember if you are right JUST ONCE out of 8 times.. its a break even play.. definately +EV

This was a made up hand, I forget why...

Sometimes, however, when you are raised on the river, you can fold even getting like 12-1.

Depends on the player, and the board, etc.

Like, is he c/r LESS than TPTK? I doubt more than 1/13.

You jacked this hand from me Zach

To everyone who's saying "just call because the pot is so big":
http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/articles/article3.htm

Ahh... I remember.