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2bthebest
Tried a really loose blind steal b/c of a tight table image. Villian known to be really loose and played many large pots.

Call 35.50 to win 90.50 after $3 rake approx 39.2% pot odds

Holdem No Limit $1 - 2006-07-01 14:22:28 (ET)
Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 -Button($30.37 in chips)
Seat 6 - SB ($37.05 in chips)
Seat 8 - BB ($80.45 in chips)
Seat 9 - UTG ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - UTG +1 ($225.40 in chips)
Seat 3 - UTG +2 ($205.68 in chips)
Seat 4 - HERO ($46.50 in chips)
SB - Posts small blind $0.50
BB - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Jh 9h]
UTG - Folds
UTG +1- Folds
UTG +2 - Folds
HERO - Raises $4 to $4
Button - Folds
SB - Folds
BB - Calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7c 10h 2h]
BB - Checks
Hero - Bets $7
BB - Raises $44 to $44
HERO - ???
Andy Beal
QUOTE (2bthebest @ Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 2:04 PM) *
Tried a really loose blind steal b/c of a tight table image. Villian known to be really loose and played many large pots.

Call 35.50 to win 90.50 after $3 rake approx 39.2% pot odds

Holdem No Limit $1 - 2006-07-01 14:22:28 (ET)
Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 -Button($30.37 in chips)
Seat 6 - SB ($37.05 in chips)
Seat 8 - BB ($80.45 in chips)
Seat 9 - UTG ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - UTG +1 ($225.40 in chips)
Seat 3 - UTG +2 ($205.68 in chips)
Seat 4 - HERO ($46.50 in chips)
SB - Posts small blind $0.50
BB - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Jh 9h]
UTG - Folds
UTG +1- Folds
UTG +2 - Folds
HERO - Raises $4 to $4
Button - Folds
SB - Folds
BB - Calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7c 10h 2h]
BB - Checks
Hero - Bets $7
BB - Raises $44 to $44
HERO - ???



What is his range here? You said he was loose but is it loose-passive?

vs AA-TT you are 1.28:1 dog (56-44) but if he is aggressive would he have just smooth called you in this spot?

vs 2 pr or a small set you are 3:2 dog.

vs Ah7h you are 2.57:1 dog.

vs Tx you are a flip (51-49 fav).
iggymcfly
If you had more chips behind, then villian's hand would be more likely to be a NFD, and you'd be making a push with bad pot odds, so it would be a fold. As is, the decision is so close that it really doesn't matter what you do here. You're probably up against one pair about 60% of the time, a better flush draw about 25% of the time, two pair or a set about 10% of the time, and a worse draw maybe 5% of the time, so on balance, I'd guess that calling shows a very marginal profit here.
2bthebest
My range was:
22 or 77 for sets
10-7 Soooted for two pair
x10 where x is a higher icon_suit_heart.gif
Ax icon_suit_heart.gif
krup24
QUOTE (Andy Beal @ Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 12:07 PM) *
What is his range here? You said he was loose but is it loose-passive?

vs AA-TT you are 1.28:1 dog (56-44) but if he is aggressive would he have just smooth called you in this spot?

vs 2 pr or a small set you are 3:2 dog.

vs Ah7h you are 2.57:1 dog.

vs Tx you are a flip (51-49 fav).



vs Tx he is actually a 60-40 favorite provided villain doesn't hold TJ

against a set or 2 pair we are close to a flip

I call here provided this isn't my entire bankroll
Andy Beal
QUOTE (krup24 @ Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 4:17 PM) *
vs Tx he is actually a 60-40 favorite provided villain doesn't hold TJ


I did not discount JT. It is important not to.
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (Andy Beal @ Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 4:07 PM) *
What is his range here? You said he was loose but is it loose-passive?

vs AA-TT you are 1.28:1 dog (56-44) but if he is aggressive would he have just smooth called you in this spot?

vs 2 pr or a small set you are 3:2 dog.

[Scratches head]
I think we're a 2:1 dog against a set. 3:2 sounds about right for the 2 pair. (1.3:1 against bottom 2 pair.)

CODE
Board: 7c Th 2h
Dead:  

            equity (%)      win (%)    tie (%)
Hand  1:    33.8384 %      33.84%     00.00%      { Jh9h }
Hand  2:    66.1616 %      66.16%     00.00%      { 2c2s }

CODE
Board: 7c Th 2h
Dead:  

            equity (%)      win (%)    tie (%)
Hand  1:    43.2323 %      43.23%     00.00%      { Jh9h }
Hand  2:    56.7677 %      56.77%     00.00%      { 7s2s }
offset
I lean towards folding. Pretty decent chance villain has Ax/Kx of hearts or a pair and higher flush draw.

Stupid question, but this isn't the "really loose" blind steal you're referring to, is it?
2bthebest
QUOTE (offset @ Saturday, July 1st, 2006, 11:28 PM) *
I lean towards folding. Pretty decent chance villain has Ax/Kx of hearts or a pair and higher flush draw.

Stupid question, but this isn't the "really loose" blind steal you're referring to, is it?


J9 sooted is loose for me(most of the time).
offset
QUOTE (2bthebest @ Sunday, July 2nd, 2006, 12:25 PM) *
J9 sooted is loose for me(most of the time).


From the CO this should be a standard raise. Try loosening up your raising requirements. Suited connectors and suited one gappers are great blind stealing hands, especially with 50bb or more. If you win the blinds that's great, if you get a caller that's great too. You will often win the pot with a flop continuation bet, you might hit a pair, and you will sometimes hit big and bust him. I would suggest raising down to 87s from late position and loosening up even more once that gets comfortable.
iggymcfly
Shiit, I'll usually raise down to 74s and 65o from the cutoff. I play hella LAG though.
krup24
QUOTE (iggymcfly @ Monday, July 3rd, 2006, 8:35 AM) *
Shiit, I'll usually raise down to 74s and 65o from the cutoff. I play hella LAG though.


65o is pushing the limits of LAG
fckthis
Ye Im calling here alot.
offset
QUOTE (iggymcfly @ Monday, July 3rd, 2006, 9:35 AM) *
Shiit, I'll usually raise down to 74s and 65o from the cutoff. I play hella LAG though.


Same (well I used to before I went broke and since have had to drop back to micro nl), but that's a hard switch to immediately make from a very TAG style.
erac22
You're playing J9s, what kind of flop are you looking for. This flop hit you nearly as well as it could have. As smash would definately advocate, push all in on the flop. That's right, just shove. If he has anything but a set or 10 7, we force him to make a big decision. And whatever he has, we're drawing very live. Either open push or check raise all in. In any case, I'm calling here in a heartbeat.
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