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crazyIvan
In a loose SnG, holding Kx suited on the button with 2 or 3 limpers, is there a lower bound on x that you won't limp with?
XXEddie
K9
gobears
Any X I'm limping if it's still early and the stacks are deep
Actuary
I don't have hard fast rules for hand selection
timwakefield
QUOTE (XXEddie @ Tuesday, June 20th, 2006, 9:42 PM) *
K9



Anybody who says they wouldn't limp with K3 is a liar.
Mashchit
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Tuesday, June 20th, 2006, 11:14 PM) *
Anybody who says they wouldn't limp with K3 is a liar.


I wouldn't limp with the krablar and I'm not a liar.

Suited K - probably KT for me, but I'd limp with any suited ace.
phillsievers
I dont limp KA because i raise it. I fold everything except KQs but the situation has to feel very right.

Limping everything else is a loosing play.
Rocketwadster
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Tuesday, June 20th, 2006, 11:14 PM) *
Anybody who says they wouldn't limp with K3 is a liar.


I disagree - most of the donkeys would probably raise with it here, not limp, hence, when they say they wouldn't limp, they aren't lying. cool.gif
Actuary
QUOTE (phillsievers @ Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 3:31 AM) *
I dont limp KA because i raise it. I fold everything except KQs but the situation has to feel very right.

Limping everything else is a loosing play.



you fold K9-KJs early in a STT from the button after 2-3 limpers in a loose SnG ?

you might want to work on your post flop game.
crazyIvan
So the play (for most people) is to stay with 9 and above which gives both straight and flush possibilities. I guess the next question really has not simple answer, which is how do you play that post flop on a K10x rainbow flop.
Actuary
All u can eat baby.


oh, I mean, it depends
gobears
QUOTE (crazyIvan @ Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 8:45 AM) *
So the play (for most people) is to stay with 9 and above which gives both straight and flush possibilities. I guess the next question really has not simple answer, which is how do you play that post flop on a K10x rainbow flop.


With top pair, ok to junky kicker, you want to play a small pot. I would play smallball here especially since you have position.

If someone bets into you, depending on X and the size of the bet, I will either call or fold - if they fire again on the turn, I'm gone. If no one bets the flop, lead with a small bet since you're likely good. If someone calls, I'd likely fire another small bet on the turn or just check it down.

You don't want to make the pot big enough where someone gets the great idea to jam on a draw or bluff and you'll have to fold.
timwakefield
QUOTE (Mashchit @ Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 3:07 AM) *
I wouldn't limp with the krablar and I'm not a liar.


I know, I was just kidding.
Mashchit
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 8:32 AM) *
I know, I was just kidding.


I know you know.
Rocketwadster
Did you know that I knew that he knew that you knew that you were joking?
fckthis
QUOTE (gobears @ Tuesday, June 20th, 2006, 9:48 PM) *
Any X I'm limping if it's still early and the stacks are deep
BeaverStyle
QUOTE (gobears @ Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 7:59 AM) *
With top pair, ok to junky kicker, you want to play a small pot. I would play smallball here especially since you have position.

If someone bets into you, depending on X and the size of the bet, I will either call or fold - if they fire again on the turn, I'm gone. If no one bets the flop, lead with a small bet since you're likely good. If someone calls, I'd likely fire another small bet on the turn or just check it down.

You don't want to make the pot big enough where someone gets the great idea to jam on a draw or bluff and you'll have to fold.



But doesn't this whole way of playing TPWK SHOW that you have a weak hand?

If you never put a raise in there, isn't your opponent liable to try to push you off any hand, since he might suspect you A. have a marginal hand that is better than his, but he can push you off of it because you haven't shown any aggression, or B. You are drawing.

I think small pots should be played with such a marginal hand, but shouldn't you occasionally, with similar hands, make it seem to your opponent that you are willing to play a big pot?

This is IMO one of those situations you have to use all your knowledge of an opponent to your advantage, as well as position in the tourney, bubble?, and other useful information.


Comments?
gobears
QUOTE (BeaverStyle @ Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 11:55 AM) *
But doesn't this whole way of playing TPWK SHOW that you have a weak hand?

If you never put a raise in there, isn't your opponent liable to try to push you off any hand, since he might suspect you A. have a marginal hand that is better than his, but he can push you off of it because you haven't shown any aggression, or B. You are drawing.

I think small pots should be played with such a marginal hand, but shouldn't you occasionally, with similar hands, make it seem to your opponent that you are willing to play a big pot?

This is IMO one of those situations you have to use all your knowledge of an opponent to your advantage, as well as position in the tourney, bubble?, and other useful information.
Comments?



In general, that's how I would play TPWK. If you play it like that everytime against the same opponents then that would not be wise.

It's perfectly fine to mix it up - you can play your weak hands stronger and your strong hands weaker - deception is a major part of poker. Also the points you mention about all the other factors at the table need to be considered.

Simple is better though in many cases which says to keep the pots small when you have a vulnerable hand.
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