My second hand at the table

I've done this all three times I've had them and it has worked everytime, fortunately for me on this hand I hit it, or I would probably have been stacked on his river all in

Even with a 3 up on the board and one in my hand it seems to work, no one wants to believe you have them, and if they are going to call a value bet you lose out on money. I usually let it go till the river and hope someone makes a boat.

Do anyone play quads differently?

btw I always raise with Gretzky

***** Hand History for Game 4497429744 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Mon Jun 12 04:15:51 EDT 2006
Table Table 108039 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4

Seat 3: Villan ( $26.60)
Seat 4:Hero( $24.75)

Hero posts small blind (0.10)
posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero 9 9

Villan calls (0.25)
Hero raises (0.90) to 1

Villan calls (0.75)
** Dealing Flop ** : 9 3 K
Hero checks.
Villan checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : J
Hero checks.
Villan bets (1.46)
Hero calls (1.46)
** Dealing River ** : 9
Hero bets (22.29)
Hero is all-In.
Villan calls (22.29)
Creating Main Pot with $47.75 with Hero

** Summary **
Main Pot: $47.75 | | Rake: $2
Board: [ 9d 3c Kh Js 9c ]


results

Villan balance $1.85, lost $24.75 [ Kc Ks ] [ a full house, Kings full of nines -- Kc,Ks,Kh,9d,9c ]
Hero balance $47.75, bet $24.75, collected $47.75, net +$23 [ 9h 9s ] [ four of a kind, nines -- Kh,9h,9s,9d,9c ]

bet the flop? no?

Besides that... Don't overbet rivers? no?

Results below:

To be honest, if you were farther than three hands in. I'd be close to folding KK here. Probably wouldn't happen, but I'd be close.

For some reason the overbet on the river seems to get called about as much as not with the nuts

Done it with a straight flush too

Same as the open push with aces, for some reason there is always someone who will call, mind you after I have played at a table for a while this doesn't work unless there is fresh meat at the table

there were about a million threads two months ago about overbetting the river. Most people, including myself, believed that it made people able to fold often. I most certainly don't call AK in this spot against this bet.

My hope was that he put me on AK or KQ with the raise, or an under pair to the K and that he thought he was going to split it, or take it down and that I was bluffing the second 9. Why would someone go all in with trips when he could value bet right?

My newness to the table probably helped me, but I also took another stack anway from someone two hands later with a gutshot straight they let me hit for real cheap when I pushed the river

Of course you are probably palying a better oppenent then I am most of the time

I think overbetting the river with a hand like this works best when there was a draw out there that could fit your hand that missed - you get more calls from people suspecting a busted draw bluff. On this hand, it would be hard for your opponent to put someone raising from the BB on Q10.

I think you got lucky. Against KK you were going to get his stack no matter what. But if you refine the level 2 thinking in this hand, it seems that thinking your opponent had a strong K (AK/KJ), which is the minimum hand that I think could call the river overbet, doesn't make sense. He would have bet it on the flop, especially since he's in position (if villain's oop, it might make more sense for him to have a strong K since he could've been looking to C/R). In most cases, his turn bet is either a J or more often simply an attempt to pick up the pot in position given that you've shown no strength. In neither of those cases will the vast majority of opponents call a river push.

against bad players this move works if they have top pair or two pair, good players aren't going to risk their whole stack on a pot that small with anything less than KK, JJ or 33.

like the above poster said, you were going to get his whole stack no matter what you did because he had the second nuts.

I seem to get in trouble with level two thinking at this $ level, unless I see someone who is a bit trickier.

I figured there was no way this guy puts me on a 9, or even a big pocket as I would have bet something to see where I was at. Like I said it was only my second hand at the table so he didin't have mich or a read on me, and I got lucky cause there was only one hand that beat him and I had it

What he said.

theres a big difference between over-betting allin with the nuts on the river and over-betting allin with AA preflop

I bet the flop. I overbet the turn. I (should) push the river.

Congratulations. You played this hand completely wrong.

I think you know this though. I hope.

- Jordan

Bet the flop.

IF you refuse to bet the flop, bet the turn.

IF you refuse to bet the turn, well..shove the money up your ass. It'd do more good there than on the table.

Good luck.

If it's of any consolation, the other guy played his hand even worse than you did.

ewwww 1 outer.

There was no obvious danger on the board on the flop, I usually will play trips more agressively especially with a 2 suited board, or obvious draws, this one seemed pretty tame to me and like I said my hope from the villan was that he had a king. I will bet the flop, the turn and depending on the villan bet or push a river depending on the board. This one felt like I needed to let him catch up to two pair or something strong to call a big bet on the river, my read was totally wrong mind you, but neither of us had any reads being new.

Although the turn did put and ugly Q 10 straight out there I wasn't buying it and KJ still has me ahead

Looking back had I got it all in earlier I would have been way behind and drawing to one card, even though thats the way it turned out anyways, I just thought that the over push would look more like a bluff than anything else.

He wasn't putting this hand down for anything I'm sure, and I would probably wouldn't have either had we got into a pissing match from the flop. I have called once into a set over set when I was 98% sure he had the over, his tracker stats were 15/3/.5 he raised preflop, reraised my raise on a 3 10 Q flop, but I am not good enough to put it down, I had the tens and sure enough he had the QQ





Yes, and of course he was thinking the same thing I'm sure "please let this guy catch up a bit!!!!!"