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goheels
phantom83k is at seat 0 with $110.15.
JAS0604 is at seat 1 with $50.60.
hokiestoneace is at seat 2 with $55.30.
Boiler131 is at seat 3 with $51.10.
TurtleTop is at seat 4 with $46.10.
Fire Davis is at seat 5 with $46.25.
EYEAMJ817 is at seat 6 with $21.60.
coach 2 is at seat 7 with $9.
stoffdaddy19 is at seat 8 with $23.10.
Gervais03 is at seat 9 with $10.
The button is at seat 2.

Boiler131 posts the small blind of $.25.
TurtleTop posts the big blind of $.50.
Gervais03 posts out of turn for $.50.

phantom83k: -- --
JAS0604: 8c 8d
hokiestoneace: -- --
Boiler131: -- --
TurtleTop: -- --
Fire Davis: -- --
EYEAMJ817: -- --
coach 2: -- --
stoffdaddy19: -- --
Gervais03: -- --

Pre-flop:

Fire Davis folds. EYEAMJ817 calls. coach 2 folds.
stoffdaddy19 folds. Gervais03 checks. phantom83k
folds. JAS0604 calls. hokiestoneace folds.
Boiler131 calls. TurtleTop checks.

Flop (board: 7h 9c 8h):

Boiler131 checks. TurtleTop bets $2.50. EYEAMJ817
folds. Gervais03 folds. JAS0604 raises to $8.50.
Boiler131 folds. TurtleTop re-raises to $14.50.
JAS0604 calls.

Turn (board: 7h 9c 8h Qs):

TurtleTop goes all-in for $31.10

What am I supposed to do here? No reads on Turtle
oldirtyharry
This same exact situation happened to me last night. Im at school so I dont have the hand history but it was also at a 50nl table. flopped set 7's on a 789 rainbow. There was a raise and a reraise up to $4 to me in late position I flat called. Turn was a 6, I called another bet of $4 hoping to pair up on the river and likely triple through but it brought nothing. Both players split the pot with a 10 high str8.
I usually push my sets hard, but on this board I usually hold back with bottom set with a lot of players limping into the pot and lots of flop action. Nearly every player at this level plays j10 from any position.

Maybe this is to weak?
nomad_monad
QUOTE (goheels @ Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 12:15 PM) *
What am I supposed to do here? No reads on Turtle


without a read i think you have to fold this. he's definitely played it like he has the str8 and you're not getting the odds to fill up.

i think you played the flop fine.

also, a lot of times i will raise from the CO against a field of limpers with a holding like 88. if you miss your set you can often pick up the pot by representing something stronger on the flop, and you'll also usually have bought the button so you'll be acting from position as well.
goheels
I will sometimes raise with a hand like 88 from that position too, but I just decided to limp this time.

I did end up folding...the pot bet looked like a big hand protecting against a flush draw and the min raise was to try to build the pot when he didn't put me on the draw (at least that's what I read).

Does anyone have a problem calling the min raise to try to fill up or should I have just abandoned ship on the flop?
krup24
QUOTE (goheels @ Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 3:22 PM) *
I will sometimes raise with a hand like 88 from that position too, but I just decided to limp this time.

I did end up folding...the pot bet looked like a big hand protecting against a flush draw and the min raise was to try to build the pot when he didn't put me on the draw (at least that's what I read).

Does anyone have a problem calling the min raise to try to fill up or should I have just abandoned ship on the flop?


I actually think you need to decide on the flop whether your hand is the best or not. He leads, you reraise, he reraises, you push or fold here.

I would like to see a push provided your playing within ur BR. I have seen Ah9h play this hand very similar to villan.
tapeworm
QUOTE (krup24 @ Thursday, June 8th, 2006, 4:22 AM) *
He leads, you reraise, he reraises, you push or fold here.

I can see your argument for pushing here, but I do not see how you can fold to the min-raise. I may be a sucker for the min-raise(its true), but I think he is just giving you WAY too good odds to outdraw him and will likely pay you off with a str8, if the board pairs. You have 7 outs against the str8, so need something like 6-1 odds, which I think you got, but I could be wrong. Villain also might slowdown if the flush comes.

Do other people ever fold on this flop if they are positive guy has a str8? I may be leaking calling too many min-raises, but I dont see myself ever folding.

EDIT: by my math, getting all-in on a paired turn gives you about 9-1 pot odds for the call...granted you need to get all-in, but it still seems like a no-fold situation to me. tell me what i am missing...
nomad_monad
QUOTE (tapeworm @ Thursday, June 8th, 2006, 10:53 AM) *
it still seems like a no-fold situation to me. tell me what i am missing...


that's pretty much the way i saw it as well. i definitely see the argument for pushing, but i think i would make that a more read-dependent play. without any reads, i think i would default to just taking the really good price i'm being offered at the moment to fill up. not quite 6-1, but decently close and as tapeworm mentioned, implied odds are good if villain has as strong of a hand as he's representing.
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