Hero (sb): $670 -- edit might help to know that I have 33 here.
Villian (UTG): $521

Reads: I've been quite aggressive cause the table is pretty weak/tight. I've built my stack 11.5bb or so just by raising preflop and taking pots there or postflop. Tough table to extract money, but easy to steal it seems.

Villian limps, mp limips, co folds, btn limps, hero completes, bb checks.

FLOP J Q 3 ($30)

hero bets $20, bb folds, UTG raise to $60, folds to hero who raises to $180, UTG calls $120.

TURN 5 ($390)

Hero ...

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- Jordan

...bets 200, calls an all in, doubles through KQ with the K of spades.

In any case, this doesn't look like a flush draw to me, unless it's a straight-flush draw, in which case...tough break.

how does this not look like a flush draw. its the standard free card play and at 600nl i beleive KQ folds after OP re-raises it to 180 unless OP is known to push draws seriously hard

as much as it hurts

check/fold

unless he bets like 150 or lower

i personally think checking here is horrible.

if you're in my shoes and have been playing as aggro. as i have if we check here i'd imagine most oppoents check behind knowing something is up.

also if we check and he does have say, Ks Qx and bets, he commits himself to an all in..although his FD will be drawing slim to my set...i'd rather get money in the turn right away then checking turn and giving him chance to catch up.

edit -- on the same token, i've been so aggro..i might get a lose call here now from a Ks Qx although i'm fine taking it down on the turn.

- Jordan

Tough tough spot.

Some say checking is horrible but I would check. If he pushes, guess you have to fold. He might make value bet and price you in to call. I have to peel one off here.

You still have approx. 18% chance of the board pairing.

what flush draw do you think he has here? limped ATs or KTs on the flop is about it that plays it this way.

checking this turn makes me cringe, i think...

- Jordan

I'm going to throw this out there..but push flop?

OOP with many scarecards that could arrive. Safe play I think.

Villain has less than 340 left. There is 390 in the pot. Any bet you make is going to commit him. His play does not look like a flush draw to me. I think K T or 9 10 pushes this flop, A T possibly does as well. It is an extremely loose flop call of the reraise with any other flush draw. I say bet 200 and call when Villain pushes with QJ.

im sorry, but why is Ks Qx the ONLY hand some of you are putting villian on.

its not even possible

at 600nl Ks Qx folds here.



if check is horrible, then why are you asking what you should do????

honestly you coulda figured this out on your own if you tried.

options

Check
Bet half pot
Allin

You think checking is horrible so ok

Check
Bet half pot
Allin

Betting half the pot is stupid because that would be about a 200 bet when villian only has 340 left. so if he pushes youre gonna call. and if he calls your gonna push on the river regardless so,,,,

check
bet half pot
Allin

you have to go allin




I truely tihink this is the only hand is which we have villian beat on the turn

In order to not be faced w/ this decision we push all in on the flop after he raises. I honestly think he has QJ sooted.

Lead/Villian Raises/We push

We want QJ to pay us off here and we want the flush draw to really have to pay for it. Not time to get greedy we hit a nice flop out of the SB lets just increase our stack.

And yes the way u played it a turn check is atrocious.

I don't understand why this isn't a flush. But since Jordan knew the villian better than us, i'll trust him and say 1/2 pot bet is the way to go here. It allows lesser hands to call or come over the top which may not call if we put in an all in.

to be honest, i put him on a few hands.

KQ
QJ
KTo
QT

any of the big sooted cards i'd expect him to get it all in on the flop and just deal with the results.

on the turn, yes, anything I bet and he raises i'm committed, so i looked at moving in as the best option here. because of how aggro. i'd been i was hoping to get a loose call (although i already got one on the flop i think) from a player who was tired of getting pushed around.

i was hoping i was having one of those moments where my image was really working and i finally caught a really strong hand.

either the guy was making a play on me, and/or the turned spade killed my action.

i did decide to push all in and he folded rather quickly...so idk. at first i thought this was the "wrong" play, but upon further review i think it was the right play.

If I do bet less than all in i think i should be betting $250 at least, which he'll push on with a flush, but is committed either way.

checking the turn is bad...

- Jordan

why don't you think the bolded part was the right play? If you think he's tired of getting pushed around, he's more likely to take a stand by raising than just calling.

any hand he'd call for 250, he'd call for his whole stack, which wasn't much more than that.

- Jordan

I think you get a turn call for $200 from some players who commit themselves without realizing it. In addition, it allows them some wiggle room to feel like they are making a stand against an overly aggressive player.

I think QJ reraises all in on the flop when you make it 180 to go. Why would he wan to give a free card on that board? I think it should be removed from his range.

yea, it would be weird. unless he thought he was "trapping" me and was pushing any turn.

i really believe he was trying to steal on the flop (or see if his hand was good) and got played back at and made a mistake by calling the raise.

- Jordan

Nope.

Push the turn.

Seriously.

im talking on the flop

I was too.

"Nope, you're wrong, KsQx doesn't fold here."

"Push the turn--seriously."

Two seperate statements--my mistake.