UTG+1 calls, MP calls,

Hero raises on the button with A J

SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP calls.

Flop: 8 J Q

UTG+1 checks, MP bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP calls.

Turn: 5

UTG+1 checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

River: A

UTG+1 bets, MP calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP calls.

Bet/fold the turn.

As played just call the river bet and hope for an overcall.

He was closing the action, he couldn't get an overcall.

Why would OP fold when he's last to act with no bets coming?

Hmm...kind of an odd play by OP nevertheless.

If I correctly assume you checked the turn because you feared a check-raise from the flush then why would you pop the river? Or are you just assuming there are 4 titties here?

The player with a flush is still good vs. two pair on the river. I think calling might be the better play. If you're ahead you can hope for an overcall. If you're behind you won't get 3-bet and have to make the crying call.

I wasn't as scared of the flush as I was that I was already behind to someone holding a queen. I figured the only thing that would call a turn bet was a queen or a flush, and the flush would likely raise me.

PokerPlayer, are you betting the turn with the idea of folding to a re-raise or a bet on the river? I guess I could see the logic in that, it would cost you the same to figure out if you're ahead as checking. Additionally you might get a naked ace or king of hearts to call. Am I correct in following your reasoning here or am I missing something?

I guess I just figured that I was already behind in this hand enough that betting wouldn't be profitable.

what pp24 said. bet/fold the turn.

are you guys high? he's in position.

just call the river.

Bet/fold the turn.

It's going to cost you the same whether someone has the queen/flush or not. Betting gives us value from one card flush draws, worse hands with a lone heart, and straight draws.

I don't like raising that river. It completes a lot of draws and as played it looks like UTG+1 might have missed a turn check/raise.

Results don't matter, but just to add closure I thought I'd let everyone know how the hand played out. MP took it down with a set of eights. I certainly never saw it coming. On that note, I rarely see sets coming. They often catch me by surprise. Oh well.

I love the play until the river. Think about it, what hand would lead into the preflop raiser? I'm betting K-10. This is just a call in my opinion. But they flat called? I assume your making a thin value raise and will fold to a three-bet right? If that is the case, then I like your line. Sorry long session today... TIRED.

Edit: just saw the results. Put that guy on your buddy list. Badly played trips... that was the last thing I thought.

I don't understand how all you guys are advocating a b/f line on the turn in position. You could easily be behind one or both opponents, and you're willing to surrender the 6.5 bet pot if c/r-ed in order to 'charge' people one bet? Why not check behind and call 1 bet on the river? Same price, and you get to showdown.

because we lose the same when behind and win more when we are ahead. if we get c/r on the turn, we can safely fold knowing we are beat.

Fold heart draws, or make them pay when they would fold the river.

What about the flop?

Why are we raising with 2nd pair? Do we think we are good often enough to try and protect our hand?

What limit is this? What is your read on the player leading? Would he do this with just a draw? If he's smart enough to do this with a draw, why wouldn't he c/r given his relative position?

Nobody has commented on the flop...

- Zach

i will.

i wouldn't assume that people bet draws until i see them do it at limits below 10/20, generally speaking. if i haven't seen MP bet a draw yet, i ain't raising this flop. if i have seen it, though, i do indeed raise the flop most of the time.

this is DEFINITELY b/f on the turn, though, as played. screech said why already.