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nickforgot
Well what do you think of this hand

calling the river fine, should I have raised?



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

UTG ($31.15)
Button ($10.73)
Hero ($36.47)
BB ($29.99)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 icon_suit_spade.gif , 8 icon_suit_club.gif . Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 5 icon_suit_spade.gif , 3 icon_suit_club.gif , 9 icon_suit_diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3) 6 icon_suit_spade.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BB calls $1, UTG folds.

River: ($6.50) 8 icon_suit_diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $4, Hero calls $4, BB folds.

The only hands I could see him doing this with is a 7xspades for a chop, 710, or a missed spade draw

should i have raised the river/turn?

Final Pot: $14.50
MasterLJ
Raise the turn sir.
nomad_monad
Raise turn. Why didn't you? You checked, you got some bets - now is the time to take it down. There are a lot of cards that could come on the river that either hurt your hand or kill your action anyways.

Raise river. I think you've got the nuts here and all you're risking is a chop. What hand beats you here? 7-10? It takes a special kind of donk to call the flop bet with a 7-10 runner-runner str8 draw. If that's the case, you'll get it back later. If he's not chopping with you and not donk-betting two-pair, he could also be in there with 7-4. Villain's potstuck here enough to call you with worse holdings (other than busted draw bluffs) if you raise him-all in (he only has ~$5 left).
Garn
not played well at all. do you not like money?
nickforgot
well i have to say

i accidently checked the river

better than folding

i probably shouldve raised

and i hate money


as for the turn...it got bet, raised, so i figure a trap might work here

and the river, i have no idea, cept for the mis-check
oldirtyharry
yikes that hurt to read. First of all, you should be folding the flop. Second, you actually got lucky and hit your gutshot, you absolutely need to bet the turn. Perhaps the biggest mistake is seeing a raise, and then a reraise after your check turn and you proceed to flat CALL. This is what you are waiting for, so raise the **** out of it and get payed off. meeeehhhhhh. And yes, just call the river. I doubt anything is calling a reraise here besides a chop and a better hand.
nomad_monad
QUOTE (oldirtyharry @ Monday, May 15th, 2006, 6:24 PM) *
And yes, just call the river. I doubt anything is calling a reraise here besides a chop and a better hand.


Name me a better hand he could be facing here except a ridiculously unlikely 7-10 runner-runner str8 draw from the flop.
oldirtyharry
QUOTE (nomad_monad @ Monday, May 15th, 2006, 5:27 PM) *
Name me a better hand he could be facing here except a ridiculously unlikely 7-10 runner-runner str8 draw from the flop.


a ridiculously unlikely 7-10.

What else could I mean? I see donks hit runner runner straights nearly everyday. What does he gain by raising? I guess at these levels a set or worse MIGHT call, but it seems you are must certainly facing a chop if he does in fact call. Maybe a min raise would work here. meh.
nomad_monad
QUOTE (oldirtyharry @ Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 9:29 AM) *
a ridiculously unlikely 7-10.

What else could I mean? I see donks hit runner runner straights nearly everyday. What does he gain by raising? I guess at these levels a set or worse MIGHT call, but it seems you are must certainly facing a chop if he does in fact call. Maybe a min raise would work here. meh.


Look at stack sizes.

A min-raise is the practically the same thing as a max raise. Villain only has ~$5 left. Push him in and he gets 4-1 and is basically potstuck enough to call. At this level, he's going to often get a crying call from a lower str8, set or two-pair.
oldirtyharry
QUOTE (nomad_monad @ Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 9:58 AM) *
Look at stack sizes.

A min-raise is the practically the same thing as a max raise. Villain only has ~$5 left. Push him in and he gets 4-1 and is basically potstuck enough to call. At this level, he's going to often get a crying call from a lower str8, set or two-pair.


Good point, failed to notice that.
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