I hardly ever play LHE anymore, but when I do, it usually goes pretty good. Bunch of donks at this table, but villain was a fairly solid player from what I have seen so far.

FullTiltPoker Game #606124390: Table Soft Breezes - $0.50/$1 - Limit Hold'em - 9:44:07 ET - 2006/05/01
Seat 1: acegirl51 ($45.15)
Seat 2: jonwz ($46.35)
Seat 3: CalRaider ($5.50)
Seat 4: Hero ($18.10)
Seat 5: Guard70 ($17.55)
Seat 6: fitzfergg ($46), is sitting out
Seat 7: ruimdg ($71.60)
Seat 8: Villain ($13.65)
Seat 9: andel ($36)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.25
Guard70 posts the big blind of $0.50
andel posts $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rocketwadster [3c 2c]
ruimdg folds
Villain calls $0.50
andel checks
acegirl51 folds
jonwz folds
CalRaider folds
Hero calls $0.25
Guard70 raises to $1
Villain calls $0.50
andel folds
Hero calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [4c 6d 4d]
Hero checks
Guard70 checks
Villain bets $0.50
Hero raises to $1
Guard70 folds
Villain calls $0.50

Unless my opponent has a flush draw, this flop should not have helped him (he limped from early position). With me being in the SB, and my very tight image at the table if anyone is paying attention, my check-raise has to signal strength IMO. Want to get the pre-flop raiser out also. I have outs as well, so I think this play has value against a (seemingly) solid opponent.

*** TURN *** [4c 6d 4d] [7s]
Hero bets $1
Villain calls $1

Have to lead out here and hope they give up on their hand, but if its a flush draw, they will call anyhow. Don't want to give a free card to a draw though.

*** RIVER *** [4c 6d 4d 7s] [4h]
Hero bets $1
Villain calls $1

I missed, but flush draw missed also, so I have to bet to hopefully induce a fold. Opponent just called me. I am playing the board, so I am clearly beaten, but I had to bet here right?

Thoughts on this hand?

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rocketwadster shows [3c 2c] (three of a kind, Fours)
Villain shows [8h Kd] (three of a kind, Fours)
Villain wins the pot ($9.05) with three of a kind, Fours
Rocketwadster: nice call

What are you doing? Fold the flop.

villain almost always calls down with A-high hands, so trying to make him fold is stupid.
peel the flop and fold turn UI.

This villain, or any villain in general? When playing a hand such as this, I always try to think about what I would do in the villain's spot with various holdings that I would limp with (remember, this is a villain that I have labelled as a solid player, not some low-limit donk) when my opponent has check-raised me, keeps betting into me, etc. If I was the villain in this hand, there aren't very many hands that I have completely missed with that I would call on the river there, including most ace-x hands (ace jack or better - maybe...).

You really think pot is big enough to peel here? I don't think hitting a pair on turn will help us, so that leaves us with a gutshot and a BDFD, not too strong in a 6 SB pot.

Sometimes, its not just about the size of the current pot, its what will be in future pots...

Yes, but I don't think you have good implied odds either, you put him on a hand like A10, if you hit your flush/straight, do you really think he is paying you off a lot? I don't

I think you misunderstood my last point there. Im not talking about implied odds for that hand, im talking about implied odds for future hands.

I have indicated that I have a tight image (if they were paying attention). Lately, when playing LHE, ive been playing my tight-aggressive game, with fairly good results, BUT, i've noticed that I have been getting way too much respect for some of my pre-flop raises from all positions at a lot of tables, due to my Rock image (my name at the tables probably doesn't help either - Rocketwad/Rocketwadster). So, since it was early in this session and I havent really played any hands, I figured now was as good as time as any to play a crap hand (on the flop, I think I have the lowest possible hand) as if it was a monster. If I succeeded in getting my opponents to fold - great, but also, I would have shown the bluff. Since I didnt get him to fold, I ended up showing the hand.

When I showed everyone my hand, I got numerous comments from the gallery, many derogatory, which worked exactly like I had hoped. Hands like this one stick out in peoples minds a lot more than you would think, making your image seem like a donkey/fishy/whatever. The minimal investment in this hand (which I still had chances to win with throughout - whether by catching my cards or making my opponent fold) were made up ten-fold (well, about 6 fold if you do the match) when nobody gave me any respect from then on in that session.

One other thing I noticed from this hand is that you cant always trust pokertracker or some other form of stat-keeping software as the guideline to your opponents. I was very shocked in the hand my opponent showed me (it is in the original post in white in case anyone cares), which was totally against what PT was telling me after about 100 hands on that opponent.

So, I posted this hand to get comments on the play in general, the concept of distorting your table image, and to dissaude people from relying on PT for their opponents tendancies.

both preflop calls are marginal, but understandable
flop raise is atrocious

image manipulation?
At 25/50 cent game?
Are you serious?

Flop rasie was atrocious in large part because it forces the turn and river play.
Oh, and because you have a crappy hand,

peel flop.
fold turn UI, as HB said..

it Micro... keep it really simple
Make mobney


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I don' thinlk villain bets a FD often enough on the flop to put him on that often enough to put in as many bets as you will need to to take what is now a 8 SB pot away.

You have to be careful which tables you make those kinds of setting up plays as it is often a waste of time (partially due to people not paying attention, partially due to high player turnover).

I definitely agree on not always being able to trust PT, though.

You should know me well enough by now to realize I am. You also should know me well enough to realize that LHE is one of my worst games (which is baffling IMO...lol)

I agree that the player turnover is huge at those levels, BUT, if two or three people see that I am some sort of crazy idiot from one play like that, and I can get each of them for one hand each later when I have a monster, I think the advertising is worth it.

I don't think it happens enough to make up for the spewage you put in on this hand. Looking at it peels seems ok, I just hate peeling without overcards personally.

the way you used to opine on my LHE hands, I figured it was a strong suit for you. I guess, like me, you opine to learn.

imo, the image thing can work GREAT in NL. Where you can use it to win huge pots later. In LHE, I don't think the re-couping is worth it.

I agree about the NL. It worked at this table this time, but I agree that it may not always be worth it.

I just hate it when I raise pre-flop 3 hands in a row and people still don't call me (obviously I am upset when I have monsters and don't get calls - not so much when I play some suited connectors the same way).

Sorry I'm late.

The flop raise made me puke a bit.

Image/Future perception/Deception, etc means NOTHING at .5/1. I don't care if ONE person remembers it. I'm not staying at .5/1 any longer than I have to, so why the fack would I care if someone remembers me? Flop may be worthy of a peel, probably not, but DEFINITELY not a raise...

- Zach