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capthowdy981
I just lost a big pot 3 hands previous. Button could've thought I was on tilt?


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Table Table 107222 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: GoldenMan7 ( $310.58 )
Seat 4: FCPDonk ( $128.32 )
Seat 5: nuSFwck ( $483 )
Seat 3: Jonas_N ( $434.90 )
Seat 6: Jacks_001 ( $352.50 )
Seat 2: Shuttleball ( $352.68 )
Jacks_001 posts small blind [$2].
GoldenMan7 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FCPDonk [ Xd Xc ]
Shuttleball folds.
Jonas_N folds.
FCPDonk raises [$12].
nuSFwck calls [$12].
Jacks_001 folds.
GoldenMan7 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 9d, 7c ]
FCPDonk bets [$20].
nuSFwck raises [$50].
FCPDonk calls [$30].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]


Not getting a chance to reload, I was in another decent pot already. The flop call i made kinda fishy to me, I guess. I called cause I wasn't sure since he barely raised more than the min. I've also been caught playing tight/passive. Maybe he thought he could run over me here?

Anyway, the turn is another Jack - and the action is on you. Do you push? Check raise, check fold?

Keep in mind I have no read on this player as he jumped in from the waiting list recently before. Maybe he thought I was drawing? What hand do you put me on here, what hand do you put him on here? The action DID end on the turn, how it did i'll say so later.
jdavidfix
I either push the flop or fold. I have no idea what I actually do because I have no idea what I actually have, but I do know I do not call off just under half my stack on the flop. Now there is $130 in the pot going to the turn and I only have $68. A push lays him just under 3-1 and it looks like I may be bluffing a scare card. Then again, maybe I have a monster and want to look like I am bluffing a scare card.
capthowdy981
I think a flop push isn't a bad option. I had KJ.
MasterLJ
The jack on the turn doesn't help you much if at all against hands that already beat you (the set, the straight, AJ).
capthowdy981
Right, I was sort of asking how I could've minimized losses if at all. Or if this is one of those "somtimes you just gotta lose" hands.


No way for me to know I was behind until the flop reraise. Could've played an overpair the same way there though. Like aces, getting the blinds involved and all. If this was the case, it'd be a donk flop call, but it was barely more than min raised - and the turn helped me out a ton. It could've been one of those pushes by him like people do with KK when an ace flops out?


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MasterLJ
QUOTE (capthowdy981 @ Monday, May 15th, 2006, 6:15 PM) *
Right, I was sort of asking how I could've minimized losses if at all. Or if this is one of those "somtimes you just gotta lose" hands.
No way for me to know I was behind until the flop reraise. Could've played an overpair the same way there though. Like aces, getting the blinds involved and all. If this was the case, it'd be a donk flop call, but it was barely more than min raised - and the turn helped me out a ton. It could've been one of those pushes by him like people do with KK when an ace flops out?
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It's honestly hard for me to comment because KJos is a limping hand 99% of the time, even 6-handed. You have a caller you are now OOP with a marginal hand on a scary flop. I'm thinking of letting this go on the flop re-raise. What hand calls a raise pre-flop that you can beat? The turn brings hope against a slow-played over pair, but if he doesn't back off on the turn he's got J-better kicke.

I'm not sure I like your call on the flop. It's a tough skill to learn, but especially at 6-max you have to figure out if you're ahead or behind on the flop and bet or fold accordingly. Dragging on longer in the pot is about the worst thing you can do.

A good piece of advice is that your control over the hand and the situation is proportional to how often you are going to win. The more control you have, the more often you are probably going to win that hand. The less control you have, the more likely it becomes that you are beat.
capthowdy981
Thanks, thats some good advice. Lesson learned, I just got caught up when my "miracle" card hit the turn.


I thought I was behind on the flop for sure, But I thought since he barely more than min raised it, he gave me a chance to draw another K or J. I decided when I did hit one of these I would check it, and bet small on the river. He didn't let me, so I went with the read of an overpair, and paid dearly for it. I don't mind coming from behind occasionally in pots, and I thought this (while not financially applicable) was a good opportunity, but like I said - I never got to reload.

But yeah, I like your advice and keep adapting to 6 handed NL.
XXEddie
bet

his raise might be a free card raise with a draw hoping you check the turn
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